Anyone still use 7024 frequently/regularly/ever?

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I know mig has replaced the "high production" area where 7024 used to be "king," but does anyone here still use it routinely?   If so, what type of projects do you use it for predominantly?  What was the last project you welded with it?  That you know of, do any welding schools or tech centers still teach with that rod?   Would I be correct in thinking that it's probably the most under used or obsolete rod out there now?  I'm interested in learning why anyone would still use it with the advent of mig and fcaw.  I'm specifically talking about 7024's here and not 7014.Cheers. Last edited by MoonshineMetals; 03-01-2014 at 05:08 PM.A Liberal is someone who lives in a gated community with private security,  but says that a boarder fence won't work and people don't need guns for self protection.
Reply:Tech school used to have a bunch of 7024 they taught with. They dumped most of it when they had a sprinkler failure while redoing the shop a few years back and the boxes all got soaked. With current budget cuts, they haven't bought any to replace it. They just dropped teaching the basics with it and moved on to 7014 or 6013 since it's an all position rod. One other tech school near me still teaches with it. It's a wonderful rod for starting guys out with learning the basics on flat or horizontal filets.I know a couple guys who still use it for occasional build up on equipment repairs.I have 20 to 30 lbs of 1/8" 7024 out of an old 50 lb box I was given years ago that I occasionally use when teaching. I just don't do enough stick to make much use of a flat only rod most times. It is probably my favorite rod to run though..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:7024 is the rod of choice for repairing / changing tank bottoms if not using GMAW.I only do power plant / distilleries so I don't know if they also use them in ship building.
Reply:i would use a lot more in the field but its hard for me to justify having to buy 50lbs of it at time.   wish they would break it down into 10 lb'ersVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Only place I know uses them for sure is the commuinity college.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:I enjoy using it when it's use presents itself which isn't too often. It follows 7018 and 6010 for frequency of use in my shop.If you use 3/16 7024 to lay down weld, it is very close to the metal deposition rate of .045 mig wire.Last edited by snoeproe; 03-01-2014 at 06:26 PM.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 4Only place I know uses them for sure is the commuinity college.
Reply:OH. The correct answer is--- No.I do have some here.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Last time I used any 7024 was in the late 1970s. I got dispatched to a saw mill to weld down a bunch of conveyors. The company had one of those little weldnpower machines. I told the boss he needed to rent a bigger welder. He just said "get to work"! In about 3-weeks that little weldnpower went up in smoke!Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:My nite job in my bosses son shop we use it 3/16 works fine .
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonshineMetalsI know mig has replaced the "high production" area where 7024 used to be "king," but does anyone here still use it routinely?   If so, what type of projects do you use it for predominantly?  What was the last project you welded with it?  That you know of, do any welding schools or tech centers still teach with that rod?   Would I be correct in thinking that it's probably the most under used or obsolete rod out there now?  I'm interested in learning why anyone would still use it with the advent of mig and fcaw.  I'm specifically talking about 7024's here and not 7014.Cheers.
Reply:I still have some 5/32 7024 we used it when welding in new moboards on scrapers It was the thing you used on big fills before large flux core came outSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Like someone said.....acres of tank floors whenever the wind blows.
Reply:As has already been mentioned, no 7024 for me either as it is pretty much only available in 50 lber's and from LWS.  Small potato user's like me can rarely justify a 50 lb tin of anything.  Do use 7014 though as easy to find anywhere in small packages LWS, TSC, Rural King, Hardware Store, etc. and burns excellent on AC powersource.  7014 more versatile too for a backyard hack.
Reply:I would love to try some  some but not wanting to buy 50 lbs my problem like everyone elseIdealarc 250AC 225SVictor OA-older made in USA stuff.And a crap ton of other stuff.
Reply:Originally Posted by BurpeeDecking a truck bed or HD-trailer with diamond plate.You can pull it FAST
Reply:MoonshineMetalsDuring - The Last Days of Pompeii - I ran miles of 1/4" 7024.  Big beam to heavy pads, with 2 & 3 inch base plates.We called 7024 'Jet Rod'. It only ran flat or horizontal, +- 5 degrees.  Mud Rod was something else.  The shop was stocked with every stick rod made, including 'Mud Rod', but it was never used.  It was brown, and had a heavy flux that broke just like 7024.  I believed it to be the generational antecedent of 7024, but do not know this with surety. This muddy segue may be reflective of 7016 to 7018.Google searches also identify 6011 and 6013 as Mud Rod;In my experience, this connection is weak.Nomenclature aside, the only thing I have to add is a production Tech-Tip from, 'in the day'.Dual Shield has eclipsed 7024. It is not uncommon for D/S to have an intermittent [worm] gas pocket in the center of the bead under the flux, this flaw is best made whole with TIG.7024 has the same problem, but unlike D/S where the 'worm' is clean and shallow, 7024's running defect was deep, and filled with its own flux right down the middle.As with TIG on black iron [will not burn thru its own oxide]; 7024 will not burn thru its own issues.When running multiple passes on 1 to 3 inch for weeks on end; inevitability, the black worm was a common occurrence - it would come and go randomly.Tech-TipThis is 7024's production dirty secret: no grinding,no Arc Air.Without changing your 7024 amperage [and going reallyfast], you burn it clean with 7018 by drop to the next lower rod diameter. Depending upon the 'gash and cleavage' of the defect, with experience you may drop two diameters.  The result is as clean as TIG on D/S, and an inspectorwill walk right passed it.Opus
Reply:I love to run 7024. My LWS got me some 10lb boxes of 3/32 & 1/8. I still have some I can let go of if somebody wants some.Hobart 125 EZHobart Handler 140Everlast STH 160Generic 210 Amp Welder/GeneratorHobart Air Force 500i plasma cutterChinese 50 amp plasma cutter! Youtube Channel : Henrymac100
Reply:Originally Posted by OPUS FERROMoonshineMetalsDuring - The Last Days of Pompeii - I ran miles of 1/4" 7024.  Big beam to heavy pads, with 2 & 3 inch base plates.We called 7024 'Jet Rod'. It only ran flat or horizontal, +- 5 degrees.  Mud Rod was something else.  The shop was stocked with every stick rod made, including 'Mud Rod', but it was never used.  It was brown, and had a heavy flux that broke just like 7024.  I believed it to be the generational antecedent of 7024, but do not know this with surety. This muddy segue may be reflective of 7016 to 7018.Google searches also identify 6011 and 6013 as Mud Rod;In my experience, this connection is weak.Nomenclature aside, the only thing I have to add is a production Tech-Tip from, 'in the day'.Dual Shield has eclipsed 7024. It is not uncommon for D/S to have an intermittent [worm] gas pocket in the center of the bead under the flux, this flaw is best made whole with TIG.7024 has the same problem, but unlike D/S where the 'worm' is clean and shallow, 7024's running defect was deep, and filled with its own flux right down the middle.As with TIG on black iron [will not burn thru its own oxide]; 7024 will not burn thru its own issues.When running multiple passes on 1 to 3 inch for weeks on end; inevitability, the black worm was a common occurrence - it would come and go randomly.Tech-TipThis is 7024's production dirty secret: no grinding,no Arc Air.Without changing your 7024 amperage [and going reallyfast], you burn it clean with 7018 by drop to the next lower rod diameter. Depending upon the 'gash and cleavage' of the defect, with experience you may drop two diameters.  The result is as clean as TIG on D/S, and an inspectorwill walk right passed it.Opus
Reply:Anyone got a source for 1/8 inch 7024 in 5 or 10 pound stacks?I have collected a nice pile of half burned 1/8 inch 7024 still 6 to 8 inches long, not enought to do a real project.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:There looks like a guy on Ebay that is selling 10 lbs for about $30 including shipping. Looks like small cans of Lincoln 7024 can be had in Oz and the UK for those interested there also..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWThere looks like a guy on Ebay that is selling 10 lbs for about $30 including shipping. Looks like small cans of Lincoln 7024 can be had in Oz and the UK for those interested there also.
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderthat was a good post. never heard of mud rod though. maybe used for mud leg work back in the day? in shops that are still in the stone age (mine) and don't have ds 7024 works pretty good.
Reply:Check your local hardware store. Ours sells its rods in containers or on open racks to grab a handful as you walk by.1/8" 7024 is $1.99 per lb on the racks or in boxes.They also sell boxes of hobart, but not in 7024.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:I have a 10lb box of washalloy 7018 and they are almost impossible to restart. I dont care for them.I try to avoid them. I figure my local shop has washalloy 7024 by the pound and in different sizes.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator weldersuper arc; never heard those 7024 stories but always glad to learn some welding lore from how it was back in the day. idk where the time went since i was coffee/apprentice boy but now i am that crotchety grey haired welder but have no one at work to pass the little knowledge i have onto. all these young feller's act like they already know it all. thanks for the heads up!i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcOne 81 year old friend of mine swears that "mud rod" was a term that originated by weldors at the Puget Sound Naval Ship yard during WW2.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPFor the last 36 + years I've lived across the bay and over the hill from PSNS. You wouldn't believe the stories that come out of that yard. I heard carbon arc gouging was invented there too.
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderyou would think after welding my whole adult life i would be sick of welding but i love to hear those old war stories. i must be a very sick man.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveCheck your local hardware store. Ours sells its rods in containers or on open racks to grab a handful as you walk by.1/8" 7024 is $1.99 per lb on the racks or in boxes.
Reply:One thing to remember is that 7024 runs awesome on DCEN(dc-) The arc keeps the slag at a perfect distance from the puddle.Try it sometime.~John
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcCEP, I hear ya on that one. Like I said, dunno what's fact or fiction, but it makes for good bull$hi+ coffee talk.
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopOne thing to remember is that 7024 runs awesome on DCEN(dc-) The arc keeps the slag at a perfect distance from the puddle.Try it sometime.~John
Reply:1/8" 7024 also likes ac on about 150 amps. even better on hot steel.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:I used to run buttloads of 5/32 7024, on trailers and such, and I used an old Airco 300amp dinosaur.I swear that beast was way off on the amperage, I was running those rods at about 240amps!! DCEP of courseJust to keep the slag out from under the rod so you had a puddle.I switched to DCEN by accident one day and couldn't believe the difference. the rods were running way to hot, so I spun it down to about 175-180AmpsThe rods ran with a very distinct line around the back of the puddle, slag curled up and fell off by itself.Just something to keep in mind,~John
Reply:You might have the same issue with restarts that some 7018's have. One of the reasons 7024 is so easy to run is that the rod burns up inside the flux coating and you can maintain an exact arc length just by keeping the flux coating in contact with the material. Because of this the rod burns up inside the flux and you may not be able to get the rod itself to contact the material to restrike the arc. Try and take your thumb and break back the flux a bit when you attempt to restart the rods. Now you may be able to get the rod itself to contact the material and strike an arc.Must be nice to have a place that still sells rod like that. Dave at $1.99 for a 10 lb box, I'd grab all you can! I have some 10 lb boxes of 6011, 6013 and 7014 5/32" rods around I got on clearance for prices like that even though I had no need for them at the time. I just couldn't pass up on dirt cheep rods like that..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWYou might have the same issue with restarts that some 7018's have. One of the reasons 7024 is so easy to run is that the rod burns up inside the flux coating and you can maintain an exact arc length just by keeping the flux coating in contact with the material. Because of this the rod burns up inside the flux and you may not be able to get the rod itself to contact the material to restrike the arc. Try and take your thumb and break back the flux a bit when you attempt to restart the rods. Now you may be able to get the rod itself to contact the material and strike an arc.Must be nice to have a place that still sells rod like that. Dave at $1.99 for a 10 lb box, I'd grab all you can! I have some 10 lb boxes of 6011, 6013 and 7014 5/32" rods around I got on clearance for prices like that even though I had no need for them at the time. I just couldn't pass up on dirt cheep rods like that.
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWMust be nice to have a place that still sells rod like that. Dave at $1.99 for a 10 lb box, I'd grab all you can!
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcOhh, will give that a try this weekend.  IIRC, somebody else here on the forums suggested that too.  I can't remember who, maybe MinnesotaDave.   Thanks AK!
Reply:I have a few #10 boxes from the LWS.I use it when the weather is good here. That usually means windy. A lot of my work/projects involve flat out running Jet Rod.But when I'm out I'll Have to invest in a #50 box like most.Regards,RobGreat Basin WeldingInstagramBlue weldersRed weldersMy luscious Table DIY TIG Torch cooler
Reply:I have used it a few times at school. 5/32 jet rod. Our school is currently giving away boxes of 1/4" 7024 too but it needs about 325A of juice so I have little use for it.
Reply:Originally Posted by Need HelpI have used it a few times at school. 5/32 jet rod. Our school is currently giving away boxes of 1/4" 7024 too but it needs about 325A of juice so I have little use for it.
Reply:7024, we're bringing it back.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:Used to run 7024 on all kinds of projects in the mill. As long as the material was clean and flat you could run it hot and fast. In our 160" plate mill, plate inspectors would grind out surface imperfections and weld them up with 7024 and grind them flat.
Reply:Originally Posted by Need HelpOur school is currently giving away boxes of 1/4" 7024 too but it needs about 325A of juice so I have little use for it.
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 47024, we're bringing it back.
Reply:Quick 7024 update...I just opened up a brand new box (as pictured previously) of the Washington Alloy 1/8" 7024s about an hour ago after the sun went down.  I was finishing up a wood stove I've been working on all day decided to run a WA electrode before closing up shop.  I only burned one rod though and in the dark no less.  I also burned a Lincoln 7024-1 to compare the two.   I hit both rods on a dirty piece of 3/8" thick C-channel that's full of rust and old practice beads.   I only hit the steel with a wire brush before burning an arc and this little test I did was done in extreme haste. Verdict... I LOVE the Washington Alloy 7024s!!!!!    I'll burn more and post pictures, but it put down a nice bead with no BB's on AC!    The Lincoln's I have seem to like to run a tad hotter than the WA ones.Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcQuick 7024 update...I just opened up a brand new box (as pictured previously) of the Washington Alloy 1/8" 7024s about an hour ago after the sun went down.  I was finishing up a wood stove I've been working on all day decided to run a WA electrode before closing up shop.  I only burned one rod though and in the dark no less.  I also burned a Lincoln 7024-1 to compare the two.   I hit both rods on a dirty piece of 3/8" thick C-channel that's full of rust and old practice beads.   I only hit the steel with a wire brush before burning an arc and this little test I did was done in extreme haste. Verdict... I LOVE the Washington Alloy 7024s!!!!!    I'll burn more and post pictures, but it put down a nice bead with no BB's on AC!    The Lincoln's I have seem to like to run a tad hotter than the WA ones.
Reply:I too, like the Washington Alloy 7024 rod.  They make me look good.I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveCall me crazy but I like AC for 6013 and 7014 too.