Miller Dynasty DX VS Everlast EXT

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I was glade to see Miller come out with the 280. I didn't want the 200, not enough power for the money IMO and the 350 is more than I need and to pricey.I've been looking at the Everlast Tig welders. The 255EXT and 325EXT. My reason for buying a welder of this type is for it's AC welding features capability.Has anyone welded with a full featured Dynasty and a full featured Everlast machine? How does the Everlast stack up?
Reply:Originally Posted by TT350My reason for buying a welder of this type is for it's AC welding features capability.Has anyone welded with a full featured Dynasty and a full featured Everlast machine? How does the Everlast stack up?
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Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonYou could give a little more background on yourself.  Are you considering a purchase as a hobbiest, or as a business requirement? Are your builds one-off, short run, or long run? Have you considered the return on investment?Myself, I am typing this reply during my afternoon break. I have been welding alum all day long and productivity is forefront. I spent all day yesterday, and all week last week doing the same. Obviously my ROI is crystal clear.You can see in my signature which way I am forced to go.Have you taken a look at the Lincoln Aspect375 Inverter tig with optional 5 year warranty?
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawI need to get my paws on one of these, then let you have at it.   Would be nice to know hour the actual arc characteristics and actual feature performance compare between the 2, all other arguments aside.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonOk, when? You got any sources?I have been thinking of sending my ThermalArc400GTSW out for a tuneup and would need a fill-in.
Reply:I’d love to get my hands on an Everlast Tig machine. I’m very impressed with their SMAW machines. I got to run one of their 120-volt Mig machines, for what it was it had a very nice arc. Just lacking in any real power. I’ve had my Dynasty 300 for 12 or 13-years now. I’m the weak link with that machine far as Tig welding.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI’ve had my Dynasty 300 for 12 or 13-years now. I’m the weak link with that machine far as Tig welding.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonPut some hours in on it. Play with the parameters some more. I am really liking 80htz again.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPThere use to be guy on all these welding forums. He went by Englod. I actually met him at Miller’s testing facility in North West Chicago. He gave me his setting for welding aluminum. Dam near made a Tig welder out of me.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonNice!
Reply:Shovelon's comment is spot on. I'm sure most people wouldn't be able to tell a difference with which machine they are using. But if the machine goes down, is it going to cost you, or just disappoint you? Don't get me wrong, Miller has plenty of machines that malfunction, but the percentage of Miller machines that have issues within the first 5 year is WAY less than the number of Everlast machines that have an issue. Also consider resale value. The machines actually get much closer in price if you subtract how much you could get for the machine if you sold it.John 3:16(2) Miller Pheonix 456(2) Millermertic 252Dynasty 210DXHobart 210MVPDoringer D350 SA Cold SawScotchman 350LT Cold SawWebb 10x50 MillWebb 15x40 LatheGeka Bendicrop Ironworker
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonYou could give a little more background on yourself.  Are you considering a purchase as a hobbiest, or as a business requirement? Are your builds one-off, short run, or long run? Have you considered the return on investment?Myself, I am typing this reply during my afternoon break. I have been welding alum all day long and productivity is forefront. I spent all day yesterday, and all week last week doing the same. Obviously my ROI is crystal clear.You can see in my signature which way I am forced to go.Have you taken a look at the Lincoln Aspect375 Inverter tig with optional 5 year warranty?
Reply:Originally Posted by TT350I'm 45 years old, I've been welding since I was 14-15 years old. "mig" At about 18 years old I bought a old Linde AC/DC stick welder at yard sale for $30 and my uncle give me a dry rig and showed me how to scratch start. I bought the Linde so I could tig weld my custom headers. Somewhere about 2000 I bought a new Miller Syncrowave 180 SD. My first real tig welder. It was in the shop 4 different times in the first month FWIW. Welded with that 3 or 4 years and quickly found the power limits on the AC side.I bought a 84 model Lincoln Ideal Arc 300 and sold the Miller. Me and my Lincoln have made some money and built some fine race car parts over the years. I own a full service machine shop. CadCam, CNC Welding Engineering consulting.  I sent my son to the local welding school. I visited him at school and the instructor ask me if I ever welded with a Dynasty, They just got a new 350, After playing with it I realized 2 things 1 I needed ear plugs and I wanted one.I what to start building custom sheet metal intake manifolds, The weld appearance on these is very important, My trusty Ideal Arc won't cut the mustard for the manifolds.
Reply:Having not used the Everlast you are referring to, and being this is going to be making you money in your business, I'd go with a dynasty that your LWS can service and hopefully be able to provide you a loaner if your machine goes down.   That's the downside to mail order is that you are not going to have the perks of a local welding shop to help you out in a pinch.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawHaving not used the Everlast you are referring to, and being this is going to be making you money in your business, I'd go with a dynasty that your LWS can service and hopefully be able to provide you a loaner if your machine goes down.   That's the downside to mail order is that you are not going to have the perks of a local welding shop to help you out in a pinch.
Reply:If Miller could prove that everything that could be made in the US was I'd buy one and not give any of the offshore welders a second look. But I know the bean counters are outsourcing at least 50% if not more to the low bidder over seas. So really IMOI would be buying a over priced China machine. Just my .02
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonThe need for earplugs probably arised from the AC frequency being a tad high. They come programmed at 120 hertz whereas your old tigs were 60 hertz. I like to run mine at 80.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawI need to get my paws on one of these, then let you have at it.   Would be nice to know hour the actual arc characteristics and actual feature performance compare between the 2, all other arguments aside.
Reply:Originally Posted by rlitmanThat, or the squarewave noise.  It is simply jarring.  Not necessarily loud, but offensive to my ears (Dynasty 200DX user here).
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawWhen I use them, I don't hear them making any noise....
Reply:The noise at idle is from the auto line voltage sensing circuitry.Older inverters squeal like little pigs getting their nuts cut off, especially powcons and old XMT 300s.That's a different animal entirely tho.Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:Originally Posted by TT350The loyalty to the LWS is gone. The only thing I buy from them are gas's. Loaner, yeah right, dream on...You can forget walking in there with a real question about a machine. They un-box the displays and price them.It is self service all but loading the gas's. I ask them for Heli/Argon mix a few years back and they said they didn't make it.I quickly educated them and now they carry it.  I just bought a new MillerMatic 211. I had my phone in one hand and my debt card in the other trying to get them to price match a online price. They wouldn't budge on the price. I can't imagine what the full bore list price for a new 280DX from my LWS.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749The noise at idle is from the auto line voltage sensing circuitry.Older inverters squeal like little pigs getting their nuts cut off, especially powcons and old XMT 300s.That's a different animal entirely tho.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749The noise at idle is from the auto line voltage sensing circuitry.Older inverters squeal like little pigs getting their nuts cut off, especially powcons and old XMT 300s.That's a different animal entirely tho.Originally Posted by shovelonWho is your LWS, Airgas? That I can understand. I deal with medium size local weld suppliers. I sign gas contracts and get priority pricing and service from them. When I buy machines, they deliver, wire up, test weld, and sit me down to make sure I am happy. There is never a problem. If later down the road there is a failure they come out for a look. If they can't fix it on the spot they pack it up and send to thier service center for warranty repairfree of charge. If a board needs to be ordered, and it takes too long, I can request a loaner free of charge from their rental fleet.So yes, loaners are available. Any more than a 2 week downtime and I am offered a loaner. Now here is the flip-side. I offer lessons to their sales crew. Half the battle is figuring out the setup. Good luck on your decision. I myself don't partake in Mail-Order-Mayhem. I do my homework in advance and know what I am willing to pay. And I rarely overpay.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749The noise at idle is from the auto line voltage sensing circuitry.Older inverters squeal like little pigs getting their nuts cut off, especially powcons and old XMT 300s.
Reply:Originally Posted by rlitmanThat's just the nature of an inverter.  They all make some "inverter" noise.I love the sound of a DC arc.  Silence, except for the sound of the argon.The AC arc as I said, offends my ears.  If you look at the FFT diagram of a square wave, you'd see that harmonics are heavily involved, and that explains why the noise isn't just a plain unoffensive hum.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawUntil your good LWS sold out to Matheson.   Now you need another one that will do what they used to do.   How is the new place in Long Beach working out?
Reply:So I'm guessing the answer to my my question is no..
Reply:Originally Posted by rlitmanThat's just the nature of an inverter.  They all make some "inverter" noise.I love the sound of a DC arc.  Silence, except for the sound of the argon.The AC arc as I said, offends my ears.  If you look at the FFT diagram of a square wave, you'd see that harmonics are heavily involved, and that explains why the noise isn't just a plain unoffensive hum.
Reply:Originally Posted by TT350So I'm guessing the answer to my my question is no..
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonWell I brought a demo Dynasty280DX with CPS to a Weld-O-Rama to demonstrate DC straight welding on Alum with pure helium. My Miller would light up and hold an arc while an Everlast machine would not even light up. At another Weld-O-Rama my Dynasty200DX welded all day on alum while another one, I think Everlast burned up. It was spanking new out of the box so I have to consider that issue and give the benefit of a doubt. It started out ok, but lost arc stability from there.One thing I don't like between Everlast and Miller is that the imports tend to use a Euro style interface. What I mean by that is the controls for AC welding seem *** backwards from conventional wisdom meaning the balance is reversed, and they call cleaning effect clearance or some damn crap. The imports that use this that I have demoed put out a usable arc after much trial and error, but honestly I would pay more money for the convenience of simplicity. And Miller Dynastys are not inherently simple.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawDon't start false rumors now. The Everlast is the one I have now.  I even bought it to your shop later and was able to run it on 100% helium. We ran it fine on 70% helium mix at the event.   I'm trying to remember what I did different at your shop but I got it working. (I think it was a HF point adjustment)  In fact it's in the van right now ready to head to LA if you want to take another spin with it.   Maybe you have it mistaken for the Longevity machines that our gracious host had there.Balance isn't reversed, it just uses the Metric System.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonI am pretty sure the machine that Wes had was green. That is the one that would not run on Helium, but yes point gap is essential. My Dynastys are impulse start. Is not that the one you ended up with? Now Lugnut would tell me we did not have the right Helium, or that I did not have the gound soldered to the weldment, or we need more schooling or some dang stuff. The one that burned up at Jon's Weld-O-Rama, was one or the other. I thought Wes brought that too. And it burned up after about 10 minutes. But maybe they were Simon's machines. My mind tends to blank out bad experiences.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawThat one you are thinking of at Jon's place was the "not very" Longevity (10 minutes by your count) 200dx machine.  Wes never had an Everlast to my knowledge.   If you got some time tomorrow, I have a machine you might like to check out.
Reply:Ah ok,  maybe Monday? Just got to my ex's place. Nap timeTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Yes, Monday would be nice. Let me know so I can carve out a couple of hours.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.