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Hello friends,I've been reading a lot about Tig, watching some videos regarding tig welding techniques, and I am now looking to purchase a machine for me. (I already do stick welding)I searched a lot on the web and I found some Chinese machines, just like the one attached to this message. Well, the thing is, I trully believe in those sayings like "buy cheap, buy twice" and "you get what you paid for"... But being an airmodel constructor for many years, I know that there are some quality products coming from China too.I have a budget limitation, so unfortunately models like Miller Dynasty is out of the question. It's a pity. I am considering maybe, if I realize that the chinese won't have a minimum quality, the Everlast 250 EX Tig could be a solution. My need is at least these: AC/DC, HF, Post Flow adjustable, Foot Pedal. I will have to get one with a good amperage too, since I will be doing some welding for experimental aircraft, having to weld some thick materials sometimes. Please, if you know anything about those machines, leave a comment here...Thank you very much.Ps. a good warranty time, and valid within USA or Brazil (where I live) would be good to have too. Attached Images
Reply:Hey marcio,My TIG unit looks to be quite similar. Mine is a Riland, now defunct as they are no longer in business. I've had mine for over 5yrs now & works superbly with no issues.....probably one made on a Tue, Wed, or Thur.. There are many Chinese TIG units for sale & many have had no issues, many have had a multitude of issues, & many simply don't like any of the chi-com units.You take a chance.....YOUR decision. I don't recommend anything unless I have one & have used it without issue. I guess I was lucky when I got mine. If it died today, I'd have no complaints as it has paid itself off a hundred times over. I'm sure you will get many suggestions from the members & you need to sort thru what you need, what your budget allows, what features are a necessity, & what power level is a minimum. Do your homework......Denny Attached ImagesComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:You dont know anything about tig welding, and you are planning on building experimental aircraft?tackleexperts.comwww.necessityjigs.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/mach...dingequipment/
Reply:I suggest asking in the everlast forum as u can get feedbacck from people who actually own and use them not just the typical smart *** chicom hater coments here,   have u considered a used tig machine from on of the premium brand names.   I have seen lots of positive feedback on the Everlast 250ex fro folks who actually bought one.   The is also a digital panel version called. The 250ext.   Not sure if its on their website. But info is on the sponsered forum hereTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Hey Brucer,Are you going to fly his aircraft?  The OP did not designate any kind of timespan as to his being completely competent to do the TIG welding. It appears he is simply seeking info. on TIG units that would meet his requirements for TIG welds. You can "build" anything you please...... after that, what difference does it make what he does with it? I don't know the flight laws in Brazil, although having a PPL here in the US, I know that even experimental aircraft here have to pass an inspection before they are considered air worthy. If no such laws exist in Brazil, then the OP can choose to take his life into his own hands & live or die with the end result....... quite simple.DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:first i own an everlast 250 ex, works just fine.  just ran 50 pounds of 7018 through it,  not a hiccup.second, where does it say he is building an experimental aircraft?  what i see is the phrase airmodel constructor.  i cannot extrapolate that to mean he is building experimental aircraft.mea culpa, mea culpa,  i just saw the remark about welding on experimental aircraft.   well, i guess he'd better buy a miller if he wants those planes to fly right. lolLast edited by fdcmiami; 12-30-2011 at 09:28 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey marcio,My TIG unit looks to be quite similar. Mine is a Riland, now defunct as they are no longer in business. I've had mine for over 5yrs now & works superbly with no issues.....probably one made on a Tue, Wed, or Thur.. There are many Chinese TIG units for sale & many have had no issues, many have had a multitude of issues, & many simply don't like any of the chi-com units.You take a chance.....YOUR decision. I don't recommend anything unless I have one & have used it without issue. I guess I was lucky when I got mine. If it died today, I'd have no complaints as it has paid itself off a hundred times over. I'm sure you will get many suggestions from the members & you need to sort thru what you need, what your budget allows, what features are a necessity, & what power level is a minimum. Do your homework......Denny
Reply:Originally Posted by fdcmiamifirst i own an everlast 250 ex, works just fine.  just ran 50 pounds of 7018 through it,  not a hiccup.second, where does it say he is building an experimental aircraft?  what i see is the phrase airmodel constructor.  i cannot extrapolate that to mean he is building experimental aircraft.maybe, since he is latin, brazilian, and speaks portugese he has simply reversed the noun and noun modifier.
Reply:marcio,  my everlast 250 ex welds aluminum, stainless and steel just as good as my miller 350LX  that i currently own and the SD200 dynasty i recently sold.   as a stick welder it works just fine.   of course it does not have the power of the LX but then again it weighs about five hundred pounds less.
Reply:marcio,  i have had no problems with the unit so far;  i have only owned it for two months.  i received it, plugged it in and have not had any issues to date.   i have noticed on the everlast board that many of the complaints about the units are from owners/hobbyists that have never really learned to weld.   you will see some very strange complaints posted there.   i should note you will see them here as well.for the money, i would recommend them.  in fact i'm going to buy another, a stick welder only model, to throw on my work truck.
Reply:Hey marcio,Yes, I am a professional(48yrs welding) & retired now, although still operate my own welding/machine/fab shop. I weld steel, SS, aluminum, copper, brass, & occasionally bronze, & I make a lot of custom auto accessories & crafts with alum., SS, & steel. I also do quite a bit of repair with TIG depending on application & customers' request.When I bought my unit, I took a chance with the import unit not knowing if it had the quality & ruggedness for usage several times a week. Back when I got it, the importer was a great fellow to deal with, pre-tested every unit prior to shipment, & guaranteed it for 1 year. When he passed away, the company/importer went to hell as far as their reliability & warranty & finally went out of business. I guess I was lucky to get a good one. There are many horror stories here & other forums regarding the imports, & there are also success stories with complete satisfaction. It's your $$$$$$....you gotta do your homework & whatever choice, live with the results. I can't speak about any other units that I have never used as that is pure heresay & meaningless. You will have to get on the Everlast Forum & post your question & what information you seek.Hey fdc: You are forgiven.......DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Originally Posted by brucerYou dont know anything about tig welding, and you are planning on building experimental aircraft?
Reply:Originally Posted by fdcmiamimarcio,  i have had no problems with the unit so far;  i have only owned it for two months.  i received it, plugged it in and have not had any issues to date.   i have noticed on the everlast board that many of the complaints about the units are from owners/hobbyists that have never really learned to weld.   you will see some very strange complaints posted there.   i should note you will see them here as well.for the money, i would recommend them.  in fact i'm going to buy another, a stick welder only model, to throw on my work truck.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawI suggest asking in the everlast forum as u can get feedbacck from people who actually own and use them not just the typical smart *** chicom hater coments here,   have u considered a used tig machine from on of the premium brand names.   I have seen lots of positive feedback on the Everlast 250ex fro folks who actually bought one.   The is also a digital panel version called. The 250ext.   Not sure if its on their website. But info is on the sponsered forum here
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey marcio,Yes, I am a professional(48yrs welding) & retired now, although still operate my own welding/machine/fab shop. I weld steel, SS, aluminum, copper, brass, & occasionally bronze, & I make a lot of custom auto accessories & crafts with alum., SS, & steel. I also do quite a bit of repair with TIG depending on application & customers' request.When I bought my unit, I took a chance with the import unit not knowing if it had the quality & ruggedness for usage several times a week. Back when I got it, the importer was a great fellow to deal with, pre-tested every unit prior to shipment, & guaranteed it for 1 year. When he passed away, the company/importer went to hell as far as their reliability & warranty & finally went out of business. I guess I was lucky to get a good one. There are many horror stories here & other forums regarding the imports, & there are also success stories with complete satisfaction. It's your $$$$$$....you gotta do your homework & whatever choice, live with the results. I can't speak about any other units that I have never used as that is pure heresay & meaningless. You will have to get on the Everlast Forum & post your question & what information you seek.Hey fdc: You are forgiven.......Denny
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey Brucer,Are you going to fly his aircraft?  The OP did not designate any kind of timespan as to his being completely competent to do the TIG welding. It appears he is simply seeking info. on TIG units that would meet his requirements for TIG welds. You can "build" anything you please...... after that, what difference does it make what he does with it? I don't know the flight laws in Brazil, although having a PPL here in the US, I know that even experimental aircraft here have to pass an inspection before they are considered air worthy. If no such laws exist in Brazil, then the OP can choose to take his life into his own hands & live or die with the end result....... quite simple.Denny
Reply:dreams are what keep us alive.....remember the saying all new ideas are initialy  mocked, ridiculed discreditied and then finally accpeted as fact.....same thing applies here.thermal dynamics seems to be one of those companies that has subsidiary compaines like thermal arc and produces some stuff off shore to high stds, it may be a bridge in between Chineese and Americanbobs77vet/37ford4drEastwood digital TIG200HH190Lincoln Invertec 155sLincoln weldpak 100sears/craftsman (lincoln) 50a 240v buzz boxO/A rig Harris gaugesnexion cut 50 dxchicago electric (HF) 240v spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey Brucer,Are you going to fly his aircraft?  The OP did not designate any kind of timespan as to his being completely competent to do the TIG welding. It appears he is simply seeking info. on TIG units that would meet his requirements for TIG welds. You can "build" anything you please...... after that, what difference does it make what he does with it? I don't know the flight laws in Brazil, although having a PPL here in the US, I know that even experimental aircraft here have to pass an inspection before they are considered air worthy. If no such laws exist in Brazil, then the OP can choose to take his life into his own hands & live or die with the end result....... quite simple.Denny
Reply:brucer, give people mod powers and rules change, simple really.Tim Beeker.
Reply:Originally Posted by brucerThen why do all you people jump down guys a$$ when they come on here wanting to build a trailer... I guess theres a double standard here of experimetal planes and trailers when other peoples lives are at stake. do ultralights have to be inspected?
Reply:37ford4dr,thank you for your words. I will have a look on this company. Thanks again.
Reply:I applaud your achievements. You sound like you know how to do things safe and think things through.There is a wealth of good info here and yorkiepap is a contributor to that.Tim Beeker.
Reply:Hey guys,Probably gonna be a bit long..... deal with it.Well, it seems that off-tangent remarks are always injected into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with an OP. And then when challenged, a responder feels they are being "picked" on. The issue is the relevance of the response which is attempting to do a comparison that is completely out of context to the OP & the subject matter.First, if you take the time to "READ" & "ABSORB" what the OP wrote, the first (2) paragraphs certainly indicated the OP was "DOING HIS HOMEWORK"........... you know, those famous words I use quite a bit. He came here to query certain equipment that would meet his needs & did, with clarity, give a good portrait of his education level & experiences. He, in no way, indicated he was going to buy a TIG welder & start to weld together an airframe as soon as he purchased one. DID HE??????? I didn't read it anywhere in the posting.  BANG!!!!!! You make PRESUMPTIONS.......  WHOA!!! ... All of a sudden we get responses as to his not having any experience with the process he chose, & if he was presenting a danger to the public. Then we have to hear that we castigate those who who come here to build a trailer in the same context as what the OP in this thread has written & accuse the forum members who challenge a newbie trailer-builder that there is a "double standard". REALLY???!!!!!   Geezus Krist,  how in the he11 can there be the slightest comparison of a frikkin' newbie with a 90A flux-core welder wanting to build a trailer to put on the road & the OP who had an engineering degree, is an aircraft pilot, already has some experience with welding(SMAW) so he does understand metal fusion/bonding, is 25 yrs old, & speaks (3) languages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  WTF is so hard to understand that there IS NO COMPARISON!!!!!!!!Second, there is some kind of innuendo projected that you "give people mod powers and the rules change." The forum rules apply to the mods the same as everyone else. If anyone has an issue with a mod, it is quite simple to file your complaint with Frank C., the Administrator, & register your complaint. None of you know & realize the work the mods do to keep the forum cleaned up from all the spam, garbage, irrelevant postings, & attempt to bring a semblance of order so the site can continue to provide valuable information to EVERY MEMBER. If you have sensitive feelings, need complete PC, & get upset by a bit of criticism, it is quite easy to simply "wander off" back into the wilderness. Nuff said.DennyLast edited by yorkiepap; 01-01-2012 at 10:16 PM.Complete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Yorkiepap.Have a good new yearTim Beeker.
Reply:Hey tnjind,I always have a good New Year, good month, & good day simply because they are MINE...... why would I allow anything to ruin any of them? The older you get, the more precious they are......DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."i've had my everast 250ex for about 6 months now id say. i had two problems that were very simple quick fixes. i had a HF issue because the spark gap was offset which there support guy (ray) helped me fix and the other was a arc start problem which i traced back to a loose ground clamp no big deal. the machine welds great and has awesome features!. im not a fan of their euro style torches so i switched mine out. also there support and sales are fantastic and they do a great job taking care of there customers jaymiller bobcat 250 ntsouth bend metal latheClausing verticle millrikon 17" bandsaweverlast 250exharris oxyfuel set upspeedglass AD helmet with adflo power respirator.
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey guys,Probably gonna be a bit long..... deal with it.Well, it seems that off-tangent remarks are always injected into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with an OP. And then when challenged, a responder feels they are being "picked" on. The issue is the relevance of the response which is attempting to do a comparison that is completely out of context to the OP & the subject matter.First, if you take the time to "READ" & "ABSORB" what the OP wrote, the first (2) paragraphs certainly indicated the OP was "DOING HIS HOMEWORK"........... you know, those famous words I use quite a bit. He came here to query certain equipment that would meet his needs & did, with clarity, give a good portrait of his education level & experiences. He, in no way, indicated he was going to buy a TIG welder & start to weld together an airframe as soon as he purchased one. DID HE??????? I didn't read it anywhere in the posting.  BANG!!!!!! You make PRESUMPTIONS.......  WHOA!!! ... All of a sudden we get responses as to his not having any experience with the process he chose, & if he was presenting a danger to the public. Then we have to hear that we castigate those who who come here to build a trailer in the same context as what the OP in this thread has written & accuse the forum members who challenge a newbie trailer-builder that there is a "double standard". REALLY???!!!!!   Geezus Krist,  how in the he11 can there be the slightest comparison of a frikkin' newbie with a 90A flux-core welder wanting to build a trailer to put on the road & the OP who had an engineering degree, is an aircraft pilot, already has some experience with welding(SMAW) so he does understand metal fusion/bonding, is 25 yrs old, & speaks (3) languages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  WTF is so hard to understand that there IS NO COMPARISON!!!!!!!!Second, there is some kind of innuendo projected that you "give people mod powers and the rules chance." The forum rules apply to the mods the same as everyone else. If anyone has an issue with a mod, it is quite simple to file your complaint with Frank C., the Administrator, & register your complaint. None of you know & realize the work the mods do to keep the forum cleaned up from all the spam, garbage, irrelevant postings, & attempt to bring a semblance of order so the site can continue to provide valuable information to EVERY MEMBER. If you have sensitive feelings, need complete PC, & get upset by a bit of criticism, it is quite easy to simply "wander off" back into the wilderness. Nuff said.Denny
Reply:Originally Posted by firedup198i've had my everast 250ex for about 6 months now id say. i had two problems that were very simple quick fixes. i had a HF issue because the spark gap was offset which there support guy (ray) helped me fix and the other was a arc start problem which i traced back to a loose ground clamp no big deal. the machine welds great and has awesome features!. im not a fan of their euro style torches so i switched mine out. also there support and sales are fantastic and they do a great job taking care of there customers jay
Reply:Hey marcio,You have nothing to feel bad about, nor do you have to apologize for anything. Your posting & responses were quite clear. The problem lies with those who seem to "read things" into a post or response & then "presume", in their small minds, that was what the poster wrote which is generally way off base. There are those who will ALWAYS interpret in a different manner than the intent of the OP. Human nature. I am one who stresses that providing clear, concise information in a detailed manner will result in a much better understanding for the responders to give sound advice. I'm not fond of having to prod & insist for more details & data so as to have a clear understanding of a query. No one can provide solutions with a great deal of unanswered specifications regarding an issue.Hey marcio.......there are many here who would argue with you that I have "no patience"......again, another baseless presumption. We do have the gamut here of the sublime to the ridiculous...... it goes with the territory as with any forum.BTW..... I'm into RC aircraft very heavy & my hangar grows monthly. We''ll have to start a new thread in the "Off Topic" section to discuss them.DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Marcio, nice word ( tendentious ) . I had to look it up.
Reply:There is no need to feel bad at all. You asked some simple questions. I don't know if you will get the answers you need here though.  Denny gave you his personal experience with his Chinese made machine, happened to be a good one. I think you will do the appropriate research before purchase. There are some warranted fears with the Chinese machines and as you stated the shipping will be substantial.Please keep us posted on your progress.Tim.Tim Beeker.
Reply:Hope you have plenty of success if you go for the chinese machine. I havent heard of anyone who has bought them so cant really offer any advice. Enjoy the TIG Welding though
Reply:Originally Posted by [email protected], nice word ( tendentious ) . I had to look it up.
Reply:Originally Posted by hayleymason82Hope you have plenty of success if you go for the chinese machine. I havent heard of anyone who has bought them so cant really offer any advice. Enjoy the TIG Welding though
Reply:Originally Posted by tnjindThere is no need to feel bad at all. You asked some simple questions. I don't know if you will get the answers you need here though.  Denny gave you his personal experience with his Chinese made machine, happened to be a good one. I think you will do the appropriate research before purchase. There are some warranted fears with the Chinese machines and as you stated the shipping will be substantial.Please keep us posted on your progress.Tim.
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey marcio,You have nothing to feel bad about, nor do you have to apologize for anything. Your posting & responses were quite clear. The problem lies with those who seem to "read things" into a post or response & then "presume", in their small minds, that was what the poster wrote which is generally way off base. There are those who will ALWAYS interpret in a different manner than the intent of the OP. Human nature. I am one who stresses that providing clear, concise information in a detailed manner will result in a much better understanding for the responders to give sound advice. I'm not fond of having to prod & insist for more details & data so as to have a clear understanding of a query. No one can provide solutions with a great deal of unanswered specifications regarding an issue.Hey marcio.......there are many here who would argue with you that I have "no patience"......again, another baseless presumption. We do have the gamut here of the sublime to the ridiculous...... it goes with the territory as with any forum.BTW..... I'm into RC aircraft very heavy & my hangar grows monthly. We''ll have to start a new thread in the "Off Topic" section to discuss them.Denny
Reply:Denny,take a look if you received my private message. I sent it, but I couldn't find at the sent folder.Marcio.