broken anvil weld???

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I received this old anvil from a friend who got it from a friend...etc......any way it has a weld around the waist that i guess was done by a chicken,,,,,,lol.......or gas welded maybe.....I was just wondering if any body could confirm how it was welded.....good strong weld because i have beat on it for a wile and it lived outside most of its life. I've had it for 4 years..thanks in advance.... Attached ImagesIf you see me running for no apparent reason, try to keep up:"Reality" What a concept!Miller Big 40 {1972} vintage, with 150 ft. of 000 leads, old Alaskan pipline welder.
Reply:Looks like a gas weld to me,an awful gas weld.
Reply:It may look awful, but it's obviously more then good enough or it would have broken a long time ago.
Reply:I wouldn't worry about it till it breaks
Reply:I guess it figures that somebody who welds like that could also figure out a way to break an anvil.Tim
Reply:I think I know the guy that broke it, he could break a ball bearing on a pile of sand with a bath sponge.
Reply:Those pigeon welds are probably there to cover up the nice, professional welds underneath.  GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:It looks like fungus, maybe some antibiotics would help Thermal arc 211iCk flex-loc 150 & 130Clamps, saws & grindersHarbor freight 80 amp inverter
Reply:Originally Posted by Austin BennettIt looks like fungus, maybe some antibiotics would help
Reply:That weld was made that way intentionally. A blacksmith could hammer his work against it and put a decorative texture on his work piece ... it seem obvious to me at least. (chuckle).brad
Reply:Who knows where, how and when that repair was done, i agree it's not state of the art and i would not let it out of the shop if it was my repair with the means we have these days.    but maybe there are a few good reasons for that result,  soooo...with what was available to the guy who fixed it as technology or knowledge at the time and considering it's still holding i'm uncomfotrable to criticise it.  If it aint broken don't fix it !
Reply:110 flux core!Nothing Ever Got Done By Quitting, Never Give Up.
Reply:When that anvil was made it was forge welded in at least three parts. The waist(where it's broken/repaired) is one of them. I can't recall what brand anvil you have off hand but it is actually a decent anvil. One of the few times American workers made a mistake in a piece. The face doesn't show enough wear to have been abused unless it has been replaced. So, my guess, union was too cold when forge welded. Answer: beat that pimp till he tells you where the hoes be at. Good luckArcon Workhorse 300MSPowcon 400SMTPowcon SM400 x 2Powcon SM3001968 SA200 Redface1978 SA250 DieselMiller Super 32P FeederPre 1927 American 14" High Duty LatheK&T Milwaukee 2H Horizontal MillBryan
Reply:How do you break and anvil?old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:I've seen plenty of broken anvils Mad welder. The horns and heals are usually the parts that break. Hit one hard enough and they can snap off if the anvil was cast vs forged when it was made..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 4How do you break and anvil?
Reply:Is break'n a anvil with it's different steel akin to have'n to frost a older ax on a cold morning so it don't break?either you LIKE BACON or you're WRONG!!!! "There are three kinds of men.The ones that learn by readin'.The few who learn by observation.The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves"-Will Rogers
Reply:thanks guys i did a little more looking and scratching  and its a hay budden anvil. made in NEW YORK around the early 1900.....found the serial number just waiting to get a chance to look it up to find out exactly what year it is.........thanks againIf you see me running for no apparent reason, try to keep up:"Reality" What a concept!Miller Big 40 {1972} vintage, with 150 ft. of 000 leads, old Alaskan pipline welder.
Reply:I can't see how it was broken and repaired with a single pass, especially that pass.  You would think if the weld was prepped and  welded in multiple passes at once, then by the time they got to the end the anvil would be pretty hot. Seem like it would be tough to still be dripping weld.
Reply:That Hay Budden is worth putting some time/money into. Up to the cost of the story you have with it or build behind it. Any welder who doesn't have an anvil or a large piece of iron they call an anvil is simply mixed up in the head.Arcon Workhorse 300MSPowcon 400SMTPowcon SM400 x 2Powcon SM3001968 SA200 Redface1978 SA250 DieselMiller Super 32P FeederPre 1927 American 14" High Duty LatheK&T Milwaukee 2H Horizontal MillBryan
Reply:Looks just like the welds that where on the old front end loader that was on my 4020. I'm pretty sure they where made with multpass stick welds and not chipping the slag between welds.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Battery and a coat hanger??Sort of looks like my three repairs performed on my skidsteer. In the same place... Three different times.Now that I think of it I should really (now that I have an arc welder and a plasma cutter, not an angle grinder and mig machine) gouge the old crappy welds out and do her up right"I thank God for all the freedoms we've got in this country, I cherish even the right to burn the flag, but I'll tell you what, we've also got the right to bear arms and if you burn my flag I'll shoot you"-Johnny Cash
Reply:I think you need jar of peanut butter and pound of black powder don't forget the canon fuse. If it survives that test Id say should be good to go.Miller Dailarc HF 250 Hobart 140
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 4How do you break and anvil?
Reply:just got back on line, new computer. Some of the reply's were pretty funny, the anvil in question is a hay budden circa 1905,  My youngest son has a friend who x rays bridges for a living and he said some time soon he would be around close and he would x ray it for me to see what actually happened to it.....that kid makes a lot of money, goes all over the world x raying bridges, buildings, pipelines...thanks againIf you see me running for no apparent reason, try to keep up:"Reality" What a concept!Miller Big 40 {1972} vintage, with 150 ft. of 000 leads, old Alaskan pipline welder.Originally Posted by blawlessThat was part of England's strategy during the revolutionary war. Break all the horns out of the anvils(or destroy it all together). No hoof no horse, and so on. Harder to make repairs when everything was forge welded. More useless information. What's to boot it was probably broke with a rubber hammer. Least that's what my dad would tell me. "you could break the horn out of an anvil with a rubber hammer".
Reply:not really repair related but an olden time 4th of july celebration wasn't complete without ringing the anvils. bottom one upside down with black powder in the casting/forging hole second one upright so the holes are lined up, a powder train or fuse between and the top one would fly up in the air while ringing loudly. kinda hokey but those were the times.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by storemanThe locals here tell me the North did the same thing throughout Southern territory they gained during the Civil War.  Lots of old broken anvils around here, horns missing, etc.
Reply:Hay Budden anvils are some of the finest ever made.  Just give it a good wire brushing, NO GRINDING, and put it to use.  The minor dings and dents will work out with use.  Those welds, poor as they are, will probably never give you any problems with average smithing.
Reply:Whats the peanut butter for,oh I know the crackers.
Reply:Peanut butter is used as a gasket between anvil bases by those who ''shoot'' anvils.Loncoln tombstone 225 ac/dcEutectic O/ADaihen corp. OTC 270 XSR mig with Tregaskiss gunMiller bobcat 225I say watch the welder and my black lab says watch it yourself my eyes are killing me.
Reply:That's almost certainly bare electrode welding at it's finest.
Reply:If it aint broke....
Reply:Originally Posted by ShiftaceThat's almost certainly bare electrode welding at it's finest.