Dynasty Vs. Longevity Test.. china won

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Well i have done a lot of reading about the Dynsty DX and blown PCB's and/or IGBT's....I got mine back from MWS today, another $1,500 repair bill....and NO i did not go for it, this time..... It goes up on ebay as a fixer upper ...  POS!!!!! It seams i'm not the only one with that problem, I will never buy a Miller again, i have had esab, L-tec (Linde) Lincoln and never a problem with them..Miller could care less about it i'm sure. It has at most 10 hours of use on it since the $1200 (upgraded and improved) main board, was replaced by MWS, now the igbt's go to hel...both of them they say...Cheap china junk here i come.....
Reply:So how is it that a "china junk" welder has "won" over the Dynasty?There was no test done...just conjecture as to your assumed value in the import machine based on your past experience with a Miller. I love the way Dynasty's (inverters) perform but have yet to convince myself that I need to spend the money on one when I know that my investment would be hard to justify, especially if it were to have a board go out.My Miller Syncrowave 250DX has performed flawlessly, day in/day out for the 10+ years I've had it and have used it extensively for production work to chassis building.http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
Reply:Originally Posted by 1awert1Well i have done a lot of reading about the Dynsty DX and blown PCB's and/or IGBT's....I got mine back from MWS today, another $1,500 repair bill....and NO i did not go for it, this time..... It goes up on ebay as a fixer upper ...  POS!!!!! It seams i'm not the only one with that problem, I will never buy a Miller again, i have had esab, L-tec (Linde) Lincoln and never a problem with them..Miller could care less about it i'm sure. It has at most 10 hours of use on it since the $1200 (upgraded and improved) main board, was replaced by MWS, now the igbt's go to hel...both of them they say...Cheap china junk here i come.....
Reply:If this thread even hints at doing the "Downward Spiral" it will be DELETED so fast it will make your ears spin....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterIf this thread even hints at doing the "Downward Spiral" it will be DELETED so fast it will make your ears spin....zap!
Reply:The point about buying a quality standard transformer machine has a lot of merit. Still boards are $1000 + dollars in the late model syncrowaves, They go out once,and a while too. Lincoln's same thing on board cost. $$$$ Still, going with a cheap china inverter will not fix the reliability issue.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:The key factor is problems per unit (PPU) and the chicoms are still higher in the regard and intentionally so.I.B.E.W Electrician and Damn Proud of It !!!! .Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/
Reply:Originally Posted by 1awert1Well i have done a lot of reading about the Dynsty DX and blown PCB's and/or IGBT's....I got mine back from MWS today, another $1,500 repair bill....and NO i did not go for it, this time..... It goes up on ebay as a fixer upper ...  POS!!!!! It seams i'm not the only one with that problem, I will never buy a Miller again, i have had esab, L-tec (Linde) Lincoln and never a problem with them..Miller could care less about it i'm sure. It has at most 10 hours of use on it since the $1200 (upgraded and improved) main board, was replaced by MWS, now the igbt's go to hel...both of them they say...Cheap china junk here i come.....
Reply:Originally Posted by crab fishermanWhat year is the Dynasty? Is it a 200 DX or just a Dynasty DX?I had a 200 DX that sold on Ebay for $2200.00, eight years after I bought it. It never had any issue.Sorry you had a lemon...-Ian
Reply:Originally Posted by Sparky#1With 10 hrs of use it probably sits alot.
Reply:I've had my Dynasty 200DX since 2005 and have had no problems with it. And I beat the piss out of it on a regular basis. Last night I was running 200 amps for 3 hours straight with no problems at all. Don't know what your problem is with Miller but they kick a$$ in my opinion. Would buy another one in a heart beat.kidtigger24  They think I’m crazy, but I know better. It is not I who am crazy. It is I who am MAD!
Reply:I am staying out of this one!!Oh wait....From the desk of Kevin CaronTrying to be the best me I can!www.kevincaron.comAHP Alpha Tig 200x MillerMatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200
Reply:Is it possible that Miller and Lincoln boards, inverters and other electronics on the newer machines are sourced from China, or similar low labor rate countries, and then assembled in the USA ? China seems to be the world leader in electronics now, and last I knew, they have the most powerful supercomputer on the planet. I'm guessing that the profit margin on the afore mentioned $1500. board is HUGE !
Reply:I was more RAGEING then anything else here, i just got my DX back today and was very peeeed off, Two seperate one thousand +++ dollar repair bills in less than 10 use is outrages, I know lemmons exist in every thing ya buy, and all i did to brake it was turn it on, that's it...worked fine when i shut it off Monday about 1 hour later turned it on and BINGO  HEL-P8*...This was with a NEW IMPROVED UP DATED main PCB...It is now 4 sale and i'll move on... Yea, if a china jober brakes, ya just throw it out, and yes, a lot of parts are made in china, but thats a whole different ballgame i won't get into....
Reply:check out a thermal arc 200 ac/dc or an HTP..Last edited by brucer; 02-23-2012 at 08:55 PM.tackleexperts.comwww.necessityjigs.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/mach...dingequipment/
Reply:1awert1,  please check your P.M.sFrom the desk of Kevin CaronTrying to be the best me I can!www.kevincaron.comAHP Alpha Tig 200x MillerMatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterIf this thread even hints at doing the "Downward Spiral" it will be DELETED so fast it will make your ears spin....zap!
Reply:I would seriously be looking at your power situation, You may be having very dirty power in your area that is causing problems with the boards. Someone with a scope meter should be able to do a little analysis of whats coming in. These machines are very tolerant of power fluctuations but some things could still kill them
Reply:Another risk that few realize is the techs doing the work.  A family member did electronic repairs and some of the techs gave zero consideration to static discharge when handling solid state boards.  You don't know if there is damage to the device until many hours or months have passed.  Sorry to hear that you had a bad/expensive experience.
Reply:I Think the issue is that Miller is such a big company and has a Fanboy following by many users that they don't see the need to make it right for the little guy.  if you were buying 100 units at a time from them, I am sure they would take care of your issue at no charge.. esp if it seems to be a known issue.   I agree your heading is inflammatory and should be changed to something more appropriate.  However it seems the problems with Everlast etc seem to be as much with the management style as with the products and they are making a constant effort to improve each product as well as their customer service and management if you take the time to research it a bit.What about a lincoln Invertec 200 or something along those lines??  I totally agree with you about dropping Miller if you feel you have had poor experience with the company or products.   let your $$ do the talking and buy from their competitors..Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:I think Southpaw's comments are BS.I've owned Miller welders for over 30 years and have always been "very satisfied" with the service support I've received.A novice welder (who's playing at being a machine guru) may call it "Fanboy following", but those of use who've used the equipment for years know it's due to the support we're received over the years.  I've had Miller stand behind "out of warranty equipment" when they knew that the problem was theirs to begin with.As far as the OP's thread title, I also think that's BS.  My guess is that his problem is more with the service facility that repaired his machine than it is with Miller.  Easy to point the finger at Miller, but they wern't the one's who diagnosed/repaired the machine.ANYONE who dares compare a Miller welder to a cheap Chinese POS, in terms of design, reliability, and support is smoking some good dope.With the number of Dynasty 200's in the field, it's amazing that we don't hear more horror stories.  Has anyone ever heard of a poster coming on the board and state, "I beat the sh1t out of my welder and it finally laid down"?  From reading the OP's other posts, he wasn't the one using the Dynasty when he had the problem.  His son was.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIII think Southpaw's comments are BS.I've owned Miller welders for over 30 years and have always been "very satisfied" with the service support I've received.A novice welder (who's playing at being a machine guru) may call it "Fanboy following", but those of use who've used the equipment for years know it's due to the support we're received over the years.  I've had Miller stand behind "out of warranty equipment" when they knew that the problem was theirs to begin with.As far as the OP's thread title, I also think that's BS.  My guess is that his problem is more with the service facility that repaired his machine than it is with Miller.  Easy to point the finger at Miller, but they wern't the one's who diagnosed/repaired the machine.ANYONE who dares compare a Miller welder to a cheap Chinese POS, in terms of design, reliability, and support is smoking some good dope.With the number of Dynasty 200's in the field, it's amazing that we don't hear more horror stories.  Has anyone ever heard of a poster coming on the board and state, "I beat the sh1t out of my welder and it finally laid down"?  From reading the OP's other posts, he wasn't the one using the Dynasty when he had the problem.  His son was.
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIIANYONE who dares compare a Miller welder to a cheap Chinese POS, in terms of design, reliability, and support is smoking some good dope.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawHowever it seems the problems with Everlast etc seem to be as much with the management style as with the products and they are making a constant effort to improve each product as well as their customer service and management if you take the time to research it a bit.
Reply:My Dynasty 200dx really took a beating living in the engine room of the boat for five years. Always worked when needed!Can the OP tell us what year the Dynasty is?-IanMiller Dynasty 350Miller XMT 304Now for...THE REST OF THE STORY.Before other posters go off the deep end, they need to go back and review some of the OP's previous posts.  Things will make a little more sense.This is the same poster who on 2/21/09 asked if he could use the same gas for tig and mig.This is the same poster who on 7/09/09 asked about a "Factory Reconditioned" Miller Dynasty DX (not a Dynasty 200 or a Dynasty 300).This is the same poster who on 7/23/09 who stated he had bought the Dynasty DX.Now for the "juicy" parts:The welder he bought was NOT a Dynasty 200 DX.  It was a late 90's Dynasty DX which clearly shows in his photos as "Factory Reconditioned".  The welder was bought in an inoperable state via a bankruptcy auction for $150.  The OP was good enough to show photos at that time with the tin removed and a bunch of "disconnected wires".Again, check out the posts.  It shows what we're dealing with here.I guess the OP failed to mention the "particulars" since it would not be beneficial to the point he was trying to make ????He bought an inoperable, factory reconditoned, auction sale, pig in a poke for $150 and now he's bitching about Miller not Standing Behind their product.  I guess he thinks that Miller should just give him a new welder.Anyone even want to guess what kind of abuse/neglect this welder has seen in the last 12-15 years?It's BU11SH1T posts like this one that get my blood pressure up.Jackazzes like this DESERVE a Chinese POS, but that won't happen unless he gets a "really great deal" on one.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIINow for...THE REST OF THE STORY.Before other posters go off the deep end, they need to go back and review some of the OP's previous posts.  Things will make a little more sense.This is the same poster who on 2/21/09 asked if he could use the same gas for tig and mig.This is the same poster who on 7/09/09 asked about a "Factory Reconditioned" Miller Dynasty DX (not a Dynasty 200 or a Dynasty 300).This is the same poster who on 7/23/09 who stated he had bought the Dynasty DX.Now for the "juicy" parts:The welder he bought was NOT a Dynasty 200 DX.  It was a late 90's Dynasty DX which clearly shows in his photos as "Factory Reconditioned".  The welder was bought in an inoperable state via a bankruptcy auction for $150.  The OP was good enough to show photos at that time with the tin removed and a bunch of "disconnected wires".Again, check out the posts.  It shows what we're dealing with here.I guess the OP failed to mention the "particulars" since it would not be beneficial to the point he was trying to make ????He bought an inoperable, factory reconditoned, auction sale, pig in a poke for $150 and now he's bitching about Miller not Standing Behind their product.  I guess he thinks that Miller should just give him a new welder.Anyone even want to guess what kind of abuse/neglect this welder has seen in the last 12-15 years?It's BU11SH1T posts like this one that get my blood pressure up.Jackazzes like this DESERVE a Chinese POS, but that won't happen unless he gets a "really great deal" on one.
Reply:Well that sheds a lot of light on the situation SundownIII. Going to have to nickname you PaulHarveyIII. jrw159Last edited by jrw159; 02-24-2012 at 01:59 PM.
Reply:Ironically, here is a post of the OP's from someone else's thread: Originally Posted by 1awert1Why not just ask the dude what "REALLY" happened....Harleys can be real nasty vibraters. that's for sure.....most guys will be honest if ya talk to em right, like budy budy talk, ......
Reply:JRW.LOLHow about "MythBustersIII"?Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by kevinacaronI am staying out of this one!!Oh wait....
Reply:...and yet another previous post from the OP...Guess he doesn't stand by this belief anymore.I was unable to quote as the thread has been locked, go figure. Old 02-22-2011, 07:31 PM                                                                 Join Date: Jan 20091awert1 1awert1 is offline                                                                                  Posts: 340WeldingWeb TradesmanRe: Everlast PowerARC 200 or Longevity StickWeld 250LOL.... Both are China made things, I think there is a forum set up just for Evr and Long...check that out.....also a lot of ppl don't care for any china stuff.....Buy American stuff....Your job DOES depend on it. http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIIJRW.LOLHow about "MythBustersIII"?
Reply:I see the spiral has started...and is picking up speed rapidly..Tic Tic Tic Tic Tock......zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabOriginally Posted by 1awert1 View PostWhy not just ask the dude what "REALLY" happened....Harleys can be real nasty vibraters. that's for sure.....most guys will be honest if ya talk to em right, like budy budy talk, ......So, "buddy", what really happened here?
Reply:Shocking outcome.(No pun intended)And can't believe I got this in before this thread was transported.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Sundownlll, I have to agree. Miller's customer service is top notch. when I bought a 30 year old non-operational welder and my local airgas did not care to help me get it running, miller technical support was happy to help me diagnose the issue, and I have shown my appreciation by buying 2 new welders from them since then. I would lay a wager that the OP has not even called miller to discuss the issue. I bet if he did that they would find a way to help him.[QUOTE=SundownIII;843611]I think Southpaw's comments are BS.I've owned Miller welders for over 30 years and have always been "very satisfied" with the service support I've received.A novice welder (who's playing at being a machine guru) may call it "Fanboy following", but those of use who've used the equipment for years know it's due to the support we're received over the years.  I've had Miller stand behind "out of warranty equipment" when they knew that the problem was theirs to begin with.As far as the OP's thread title, I also think that's BS.  My guess is that his problem is more with the service facility that repaired his machine than it is with Miller.  Easy to point the finger at Miller, but they wern't the one's who diagnosed/repaired the machine.ANYONE who dares compare a Miller welder to a cheap Chinese POS, in terms of design, reliability, and support is smoking some good dope.Dynasty 200DXPassport plus w/ spoolmate 100victor 315c oxy/(act and prop)Miller digital elitemilwaukee power tools
Reply:Originally Posted by 1awert1Well i have done a lot of reading about the Dynsty DX and blown PCB's and/or IGBT's....I got mine back from MWS today, another $1,500 repair bill....and NO i did not go for it, this time..... It goes up on ebay as a fixer upper ...  POS!!!!! It seams i'm not the only one with that problem, I will never buy a Miller again, i have had esab, L-tec (Linde) Lincoln and never a problem with them..Miller could care less about it i'm sure. It has at most 10 hours of use on it since the $1200 (upgraded and improved) main board, was replaced by MWS, now the igbt's go to hel...both of them they say...Cheap china junk here i come.....
Reply:Astalovista Baby!...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.