Need advice on how to weld log splitter

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As you can see in the above image my dad managed to screw his log splitter up pretty good. Well I cut that bent back stop off, straightened it, and beveled it. I want to do this like I'd do a test plate in school but I'm used to having a double bevel instead of a single bevel and a flat plate. Any advice on how to properly weld this would be much appreciated
Reply:Clean it up, straighten it out, weld it back together.Mig, Tig, Stick - it all would work fine.Weld it like a fillet.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldypantsClean it up, straighten it out, weld it back together.Mig, Tig, Stick - it all would work fine.Weld it like a fillet.
Reply:With proper prep and a quality weld, 7018 is your friend here.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:What does that piece do? I have never seen that piece on a log splitter before.12v battery, jumper cables, and a 6013.I only have a facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTWhat does that piece do? I have never seen that piece on a log splitter before.
Reply:Maybe after you get it welded up straight, add a gusset of thick steel to each side to give the Chinese metal a little more strength. Looks like you have a bolt to replace on the wedge too. Is there room to brace the bottom like the top without interfering with the wedge?250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeWith proper prep and a quality weld, 7018 is your friend here.
Reply:I'd skip the 6010 root and go straight for the 7018. Unless you have an open root weld (pipe) or dirty metal the 6010 doesn't really gain you anything.My "collection":Homemade Stick WelderVictor O/A TorchAC 225Ideal Arc 250HF 90 Amp Flux CoreHF Mig 170Solar 2020 Plasma CutterPower i-Mig 140EHarris O/A torchHF Dual Mig 131140STAlpha Tig 200x
Reply:If u beveled it all the way back like pipe or a open v groove weld then yes run 6010 root make sure your coming through on the backside. If you just put a bevel on it but not all the way just weld the hell out of it with some 7018.
Reply:Originally Posted by Tx WelderIf u beveled it all the way back like pipe or a open v groove weld then yes run 6010 root make sure your coming through on the backside. If you just put a bevel on it but not all the way just weld the hell out of it with some 7018.
Reply:Sounds like you have it under control if you weld open butt pipe.Go for it!!!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by weldypantsSounds like you have it under control if you weld open butt pipe.Go for it!!!!!
Reply:you're splitting wood - not atomsyou have the welding ability if you are welding pipe - so go for it.....!
Reply:Originally Posted by weldypantsyou're splitting wood - not atomsyou have the welding ability if you are welding pipe - so go for it.....!
Reply:lowes, local hardware store, farm store, lots of places. Good luck.
Reply:If you can weld pipe as you say, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to weld a single grove joint.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:10.9 sounds like a metric bolt size, not a hardness
Reply:7018 baby!  Show us a completed pic too. Good luck!
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Reply:I'll make sure to post pictures tomorrow or Saturday when I do it for you guys to look at
Reply:Never welded single bevel myself, only double bevel plate and various sizes of pipe, shouldn't be to different just make sure your root is burning through good then just stack the rest of your beads in. BTW I'm currently in welding school also.
Reply:On the plate on the other side I'm alittle worried there maybe unseen stresses/cracks in the weld and I want to gouge that weld out and put a new full penetrating one in but I have a roll of flux core wire I want to use up before it goes bad and I was wondering whether I should run it up or down. I'm limited to 19 volts Max because I'm running off 110 and I was thinking uphill for the extra penetration
Reply:Since they are graded by metric standards, I assume they are metric sized as well. If there is room I would drill them out a size bigger and just use grade 8 bolts. A hex head might bind on the piece you are straightening so you may have to do some grinding for clearance.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Originally Posted by bbertbOn the plate on the other side I'm alittle worried there maybe unseen stresses/cracks in the weld and I want to gouge that weld out and put a new full penetrating one in but I have a roll of flux core wire I want to use up before it goes bad and I was wondering whether I should run it up or down. I'm limited to 19 volts Max because I'm running off 110 and I was thinking uphill for the extra penetrationSo I ran into a problem. I've done alot of test plates and never had this problem. I was running 1/8" 6011 off a Lincoln pm210 at 80 amps and it didn't get any penetration through the root and I don't know why. To compensate for this I'm going to take the wedge off and put a couple beads up the back side aswell. The only question I have is should I run them up or down? 6011, 7018, or flux cored?
Reply:So you know how to do full pen pipe welds, and know the required fit-up for those, so why did this knowledge not get used on this job?If you wanted full pen results, fit-up and prep for a full pen weld, and weld accordingly.Not seeing why this is tripping you up???????
Reply:Looks a bit like a rod angle issue, if I'm reading the weld profile correctly. That cross- section looks like you were stuffing the rod straight up(?) instead of getting it where it needs to go deep in the joint.Currently working as a Paralegal, but still interested in hobby welding.Miller Bobcat 225ntOne- Character Fractions: ¼ ½ ¾ ⅛ ⅜ ⅝ ⅞
Reply:Originally Posted by weldypantsSo you know how to do full pen pipe welds, and know the required fit-up for those, so why did this knowledge not get used on this job?If you wanted full pen results, fit-up and prep for a full pen weld, and weld accordingly.Not seeing why this is tripping you up???????
Reply:I think what Weldypants was referring to is the fact that in the picture there is no gap between the two pieces and there are big chunks of paint also. Looks like some short cuts were taken in the prep. Probably just run a grinder over it all and run a few passes on the inside unless it will cause an interference problem.Mike
Reply:Originally Posted by leightrepairsI think what Weldypants was referring to is the fact that in the picture there is no gap between the two pieces and there are big chunks of paint also. Looks like some short cuts were taken in the prep. Probably just run a grinder over it all and run a few passes on the inside unless it will cause an interference problem.Mike
Reply:If you can't clean the paint off burn it in with 6010 then run two or three passes of 7018. clean the slag in between passes. Run it up if it is vertical.Mike
Reply:6010 is fine for the whole thing. I can tell you with certainty it wasn't spray arced, or stick welded, it was welded really fast with a MIG set up too hot, that is just how production crap is done in china. You need to be careful trying to make this thing bullet proof. If you get this piece any stronger, then the next weakest link in the chain will fail. You might not want to rebuild the frame, or the cylinder, so just fix the piece as it was and be done with it.
Reply:Originally Posted by bbertbI wasn't allowed to take all the paint off....don't know why was just told I couldn't so it burned itself off. I dont know how that gap closed. I really don't. It the bottom was open and the top closed I could tell you what happened but with this I don't know. I tacked that piece in there with my spacer in place in the middle of the plate vise gripped in there. If it was up to me I would have just rebuilt that whole assembly out of thicker material. When I do the inside should I do it up or down and with stick or flux cored?
Reply:Originally Posted by weldypantsIt must have closed up so tight it squeezed the tacks back to the other side.......And your dad (who owns this splitter) won't "let" you grind the paint off, but doesn't care if its all burnt?This is starting to smell bad.....
Reply:Just 6011 it! Leave it the way it is! Don't tear it apart as the cheap steel will start to change properties from all the heat! Its a wood splitter not a bridge beam or a pressure pipe!
Reply:Originally Posted by drujininJust 6011 it! Leave it the way it is! Don't tear it apart as the cheap steel will start to change properties from all the heat! Its a wood splitter not a bridge beam or a pressure pipe!
Reply:Ok, so up until now I had assumed you had taken this to a classroom situation and an instructor wanted it done a certain way, but now you're telling us that you are fixing it for your dad, and he's making the rules? Hate to say it, but there comes a time when you just have to tell dad you aren't a 5 yr old anymore, and that if you are going to fix it, that you need to fix it your way. Toss that POS in the trash and fix it the way you would have done it in the first place. If he wants orange paint on it, hand him a spray bomb. You may have grown up in  a house where dad is always right, but as a father and grandfather I fully acknowledge that I can make as many mistakes as anyone else. Time to man up buddy.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Originally Posted by whtbaronOk, so up until now I had assumed you had taken this to a classroom situation and an instructor wanted it done a certain way, but now you're telling us that you are fixing it for your dad, and he's making the rules? Hate to say it, but there comes a time when you just have to tell dad you aren't a 5 yr old anymore, and that if you are going to fix it, that you need to fix it your way. Toss that POS in the trash and fix it the way you would have done it in the first place. If he wants orange paint on it, hand him a spray bomb. You may have grown up in  a house where dad is always right, but as a father and grandfather I fully acknowledge that I can make as many mistakes as anyone else. Time to man up buddy.
Reply:I worked with my dad for 35 yrs, and if we hadn't been able to work as partners instead of parent/child, it would never have lasted 1 yr. He's 87 now and still likes to get on the tractor, but we both know the day is coming soon that he's going to have to retire completely whether he likes it or not. You've done it his way once, but it's essentially the same as the original except re-welded with all the extra issues that adding more heat entails. If he broke it before, it will likely happen again. The next time you just say, "Ok, now we're doing it my way." and brace the snot out of that thing. Someone said earlier that you will just find the next weakest link. I would agree with that on the out-stroke where you are stressing components at the limits of the machine, but this is failing on the back stroke where you are using the frame and cylinder at it's shortest. The worst case scenario I can see is potentially pulling the attachment off the end of the cylinder, but that seems unlikely with the pressures a gas driven pump develops. My homemade splitter is built to run off tractor hydraulics. I split some nasty big maple and I have yet to damage a cylinder rod. A few other repairs... but not a cylinder rod.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Originally Posted by whtbaronI worked with my dad for 35 yrs, and if we hadn't been able to work as partners instead of parent/child, it would never have lasted 1 yr. He's 87 now and still likes to get on the tractor, but we both know the day is coming soon that he's going to have to retire completely whether he likes it or not. You've done it his way once, but it's essentially the same as the original except re-welded with all the extra issues that adding more heat entails. If he broke it before, it will likely happen again. The next time you just say, "Ok, now we're doing it my way." and brace the snot out of that thing. Someone said earlier that you will just find the next weakest link. I would agree with that on the out-stroke where you are stressing components at the limits of the machine, but this is failing on the back stroke where you are using the frame and cylinder at it's shortest. The worst case scenario I can see is potentially pulling the attachment off the end of the cylinder, but that seems unlikely with the pressures a gas driven pump develops. My homemade splitter is built to run off tractor hydraulics. I split some nasty big maple and I have yet to damage a cylinder rod. A few other repairs... but not a cylinder rod.
Reply:Originally Posted by bbertbMy dad's one of those "I'm always right now matter what" kind of people. He has no experience with stick, let alone open foot with backing but he still thinks he knows more than me about it. And the next part to fail on that splitter is going to be the plate parallel to the one I welded back on because I saw some like cracks starting to form. I wanted to fix that too but apparently it will be fine...when it falls off dont call me. My rates apparently to high
Reply:yeah, maybe replace that hoop piece with a piece of channel, something a little tougher.
Reply:Might want to take it to a professional welder.Miller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180