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seen a lot of guys using the pancake style hoods, i have a fibre metal pipeliner, i know the pancake cuts down a lot on glare from the outside but other than that whats so great about them? and where could i get one?
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Reply:Welcome to the web. Google is your friend and ebay has a vendor or two. Please note that a pancake hood is not osha compatible if that's an issue for you. Also of interest may be the fact that not all pancake hoods will take an AD lens if you are going to use one and the ones that will take an AD lens will not take a standard lens so make sure you know what you're doing before you get the cash out.
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Reply:thanks guys appreciate it, but honestly if y'all had the fibre metal pipeliner hood would y'all still want the pancake or not? no I'm not worried about OSHA i already have another helmet that is AD and hard hat applicable.
Reply:Best place to buy a COMPLETE pancake w/ auto lens to fit is Tom Waters in La..........They are also the place to go for prescription safety glasses, welding work clothes and a few other things........
Reply:Originally Posted by Cowboy97thanks guys appreciate it, but honestly if y'all had the fibre metal pipeliner hood would y'all still want the pancake or not? no I'm not worried about OSHA i already have another helmet that is AD and hard hat applicable.
Reply:Actually, Sarge's ARE OSHA approved.  Don't know about other brands.  One big advantage is you are not breathing into your lense, so not as bad about fogging up.-------------------------Chemetron AC/DC 300 HFSnap-On MM300L Lincoln SP140 Lincoln AC/DC 225g Lincoln SA200 Lincoln SA200 Miller Bobcat 225GVictor torchesH&M and Mathey beveling machinesMcElroy Plastic pipe fusion
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Reply:Cowboy,I have a pancake, but it doesn't see much use since I'm not working on the pipeline right of way.  It's very handy working outdoors  early in the morning or late in the afternoon when the sun is low in the sky.  No glare, less eyestrain, better welding.  That said, you can adapt any other hood with a drape across the top and back of your head and below your chin to accomplish the same thing.  The pipeliner is much cooler and as somebody already mentioned less apt to fog up since your breath can't condense moisture on the lens.  A pancake that is properly fitted does a great job of keeping dirt and debris away from your eyes as well.Now the bad news.  If you're working a job that requires safety glasses the pancake is a giant PITA.  I feel naked these days without safety glasses; like leaving home without my wallet or riding in a car without a seat belt on.  So having to constantly put on and take off traditional safety glasses is a nuisance.  The only solution to this are glasses with very light, flexible arms.  A previous poster mentioned Tom Waters store.  He sells a set of glasses(prescription or not) that will work comfortably with a pancake hood.  So be ready to spend more money if you wear prescripition glasses and/or must have safety glasses on at all times on the job.The other hassle is a one time deal.  Be prepared to spend an afternoon shaping the goggle portion of the pancake with sand paper and padding to fit your face.  Any pancake hood as it comes from the factory will hit pressure points on your cheeks, forehead and the bridge of your nose that make it really hard to wear for more than about 10-15 minutes at a go.  Fitting the goggle frame to your face is a trial and error process of sanding and testing.  I did mine in an afternoon and then apply a thin band of replaceable mole skin to the edge of the goggle frame.  Once it's done you're good to go unless you have to buy a new pancake.  But it's a damn nuisance and a distraction from welding if you skip this step.On the whole, I keep mine around(a Sarge's pancake) with a shade 10 AD lens in it.  This lets me grind and do simple things without taking the pancake off.  A flip up fixed shade lens would also work on a pancake.  But I can't recall ever seeing one setup that way.  I'm sure someone has done it themselves.I drag it out occasionally, when my regular hood is letting too much glare in to work effectively.  But I'm much more likely to use a jackson or pipeliner hood with a fixed shade and safety glasses 90% of the time.  I do too much fitting/fabricating and not enough continuous welding to really benefit from the pancake hood.  But if you're working with a helper(s) and strictly tacking and welding all day long the pancake has some big advantages in comfort and clarity of vision.My $0.02Benson's Mobile Welding - Dayton, OH metro area - AWS Certified Welding Inspector
Reply:Originally Posted by A_DAB_will_doCowboy,I have a pancake, but it doesn't see much use since I'm not working on the pipeline right of way.  It's very handy working outdoors  early in the morning or late in the afternoon when the sun is low in the sky.  No glare, less eyestrain, better welding.  That said, you can adapt any other hood with a drape across the top and back of your head and below your chin to accomplish the same thing.  The pipeliner is much cooler and as somebody already mentioned less apt to fog up since your breath can't condense moisture on the lens.  A pancake that is properly fitted does a great job of keeping dirt and debris away from your eyes as well.Now the bad news.  If you're working a job that requires safety glasses the pancake is a giant PITA.  I feel naked these days without safety glasses; like leaving home without my wallet or riding in a car without a seat belt on.  So having to constantly put on and take off traditional safety glasses is a nuisance.  The only solution to this are glasses with very light, flexible arms.  A previous poster mentioned Tom Waters store.  He sells a set of glasses(prescription or not) that will work comfortably with a pancake hood.  So be ready to spend more money if you wear prescripition glasses and/or must have safety glasses on at all times on the job.The other hassle is a one time deal.  Be prepared to spend an afternoon shaping the goggle portion of the pancake with sand paper and padding to fit your face.  Any pancake hood as it comes from the factory will hit pressure points on your cheeks, forehead and the bridge of your nose that make it really hard to wear for more than about 10-15 minutes at a go.  Fitting the goggle frame to your face is a trial and error process of sanding and testing.  I did mine in an afternoon and then apply a thin band of replaceable mole skin to the edge of the goggle frame.  Once it's done you're good to go unless you have to buy a new pancake.  But it's a damn nuisance and a distraction from welding if you skip this step.On the whole, I keep mine around(a Sarge's pancake) with a shade 10 AD lens in it.  This lets me grind and do simple things without taking the pancake off.  A flip up fixed shade lens would also work on a pancake.  But I can't recall ever seeing one setup that way.  I'm sure someone has done it themselves.I drag it out occasionally, when my regular hood is letting too much glare in to work effectively.  But I'm much more likely to use a jackson or pipeliner hood with a fixed shade and safety glasses 90% of the time.  I do too much fitting/fabricating and not enough continuous welding to really benefit from the pancake hood.  But if you're working with a helper(s) and strictly tacking and welding all day long the pancake has some big advantages in comfort and clarity of vision.My $0.02
Reply:Nobody on a pipeline cares if you went to welding school. They want to know what experience you have welding pipeline, and you don't have any. The only way you're going to get to weld on a pipeline is work your way up from helper. Nobody is going to hire you to weld pipeline straight out of school.
Reply:UH huh, ^ about that, I'm not so sure. I think in the first week on the job if you are welding circles around some of the "old timers" the foreman is going to see it and place you on a task more appropriate to your skill level. If not you probably don't want to work there anyway.I hate to see experienced welders do acceptable but not desirable work just because they have become complacent with their old timer status. Then some young hungry kid comes out of school with a stack of certs. great references, desire and passion etc. and is essentially put on the back burner and ends up "helping" an individual with lesser skills for the next two years because of seniority. That is totally bogus and a complete waste of time. Your advancement in industry should be determined by meritocracy, skill level, and work ethic, - not good ol' boy mentality, length of time doing sub-par work on the jobsite, or how many drinks you share with your supervisor after a shift. /rantLast edited by SlickmisterN; 01-06-2016 at 11:23 AM.Miller XMT 350 CC/CVMiller S74-DHobart Airforce 500i
Reply:Originally Posted by SlickmisterNUH huh, ^ about that, I'm not so sure. I think in the first week on the job if you are welding circles around some of the "old timers" the foreman is going to see it and place you on a task more appropriate to your skill level. If not you probably don't want to work there anyway.I hate to see experienced welders do acceptable but not desirable work just because they have become complacent with their old timer status. Then some young hungry kid comes out of school with a stack of certs. great references, desire and passion etc. and is essentially put on the back burner and ends up "helping" an individual with lesser skills for the next two years because of seniority. That is totally bogus and a complete waste of time. Your advancement in industry should be determined by meritocracy, skill level, and work ethic, - not good ol' boy mentality, length of time doing sub-par work on the jobsite, or how many drinks you share with your supervisor after a shift. /rant
Reply:Going from welding gates, and cattle guards, to welding on pipe lines is a HUGE step up!Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:If you have a contact in the industry, use it. You are not going to get a test otherwise. You never met a real dikhead till you meet a pipeline inspector. Don't matter how you think it ought to be, I'm telling you the way it is. They don't want a rookie slowing things down, it is not a learning environment in any way, shape or fashion.Last edited by TimmyTIG; 01-06-2016 at 02:03 PM.
Reply:i read some of his previous threads, and i think some of you are under estimating cowboy.     cowboy is a 3rd generation welding business owner, also has friends that weld.   sounds like he's able to tackle the rough jobs others avoid.  He obviously understands the  business end of things also.   He's been doing this since he was 12, and probaly younger than that when he ran his first bead.      cowboy, can you kinda describe what type subjects your studying in this 4 year degree.  Also, why don't they just let you take the certification tests so you can move on?   Are they trying to hold you back from advancing at your own pace?   how much of the things there telling you, is stuff you already know?
Reply:Originally Posted by Cowboy97okay thanks a lot, im not on the pipeline or oil rigs i actually have my own welding service and repair buisiness, actually im the third person party that builds the cattle guards for oil company right of ways and entrances also do a lot of pipe cattle pens, custom gates, entrances, ect. yes im 18 and a one man show kinda thing unles my grandfather gets tired of watching the news then i cant keep him off site haha and another thing i see youre certified instructor and inspector, if i leave a 4yr college with an ag engineering degree (ag mech, welding) would thee be a need for me to still attend a welding school? im looking at pipelining for a few years after i get out.
Reply:Originally Posted by Cowboy97i feel ya on that one, a good friend of mine, we graduated together, his dad is a division manager for Wil-Call services, my buddy said there would be a good chance his dad could get me a test chance of course i have to prove to his dad im that good which hes the one i build the cattle guards for so he knows. but all i am asking for is a test, like is it that hard just to spot a guy a test just to see if he can do what he says? i mean damn youre right, old timers are great and know a lot of tricks and i believe that they should mentor younger welders on the job.
Reply:There is a member here, who is a retired LU 798 hand. He set up a welding school in Oklahoma. He will teach you how to pass all the welding tests that LU 798 requires.But I for got his name!Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:thanks again guys apprieciate the help!
Reply:Originally Posted by 123weldi read some of his previous threads, and i think some of you are under estimating cowboy.     cowboy is a 3rd generation welding business owner, also has friends that weld.   sounds like he's able to tackle the rough jobs others avoid.  He obviously understands the  business end of things also.   He's been doing this since he was 12, and probaly younger than that when he ran his first bead.      cowboy, can you kinda describe what type subjects your studying in this 4 year degree.  Also, why don't they just let you take the certification tests so you can move on?   Are they trying to hold you back from advancing at your own pace?   how much of the things there telling you, is stuff you already know?
Reply:quick question--i know the pancake hood is a respected hood in the field and i understand that, just wonder per say if i'll be **** talked for using a fibre-metal pipeline hood?
Reply:i thought you were a cowboy.     cowboys don't care what anyone else thinks.    besides, nobody cares, it's worktime.     you left that nonsense mentallity behind in grade school, right?
Reply:hell yeah i did but js i would give someone hell for using one of those fancy auto-dark hoods with adjustable this and that on a rig or in the field, shop work i wouldn't blame em like my adjustable A/D for shop work where its dark alreadyOriginally Posted by A_DAB_will_doIf this opportunity is legit, then learn to fit and weld a 12" branch, and a 12" butt weld.  You should be able to puddle cap the butt weld with 3/16" 5P+(E6010), welding downhill.  This is probably the easier of the two.  Learning to layout and cut the 12" branch coupon with a torch is far more difficult than making the actual weld.  This is what it takes to work as a downhill pipeline welder.   Find out from your buddy if this is really the work they're doing.  IF not, then figure out what you do need to know and practice it before you ask for your chance to test out.There was a guy on the AWS forum that was running an informal school teaching guys to make these two test welds.  He's located somewhere in OK.  I don't remember what he was charging, but it definitely wasn't free.  It was a weekend of training at his home shop.  Search the AWS welding forum and see if you can track down this rig welder.  He was a non-union guy, if I remember correct.  If he'll let you sign up for training and if he's still doing it, you could learn quite a bit about pipelining.  But it won't count for a hill of beans when it comes to getting a job.  The training might help you know for certain that this is what you want to do.  And it might help you keep a job if you're lucky enough to get one.Something you should consider.  I wanted to pipeline when I started welding too.  Then I started to learn more about working on big pipeline projects.  When you strip the work down to it's essence, it's an assembly line job.  If you're going to be happy making the same butt weld(probably a single pass on a butt weld) with stick rod downhill over, and over, and over, and over, in the freezing cold and blazing heat, go for it.  Yes the pay can be great,  but I find the work to be boring as sh!t and the conditions horrible(generally speaking).  Recognize too that big bore pipe is almost all welded with mechanized welding machines.  It takes a skilled welder to operate a pipe welding 'bug'.  But again, the welding is set and the welder makes small adjustements to a pre-set welding program.  If you don't fancy welding by remote control, watching a machine do all the puddle manipulation; then pipeline work, might not suit you.For me, I'd rather be a rig welder on new construction of compressor stations, petrochemical plants, working as a single hand or combo welder on plant shutdowns, or doing heavy equipment repair is are much more enjoyable types of welding.  The work can be indoors or out.  It's a mixture of TIG/Stick or TIG/Fluxcore or stick, or all TIG.  It's not the same damn horizontal v-groove butt weld day in and day out.  I wouldn't want to be a bead hand; always making the same root pass over, and over again.  Fitting pipe, fixing broken equipment, structural welding, all make the work more interesting and enjoyable.  Some guys like pipelining.  You might be one of them.  Some like TIG welding boiler tubes(ugh    ), but there's a lot of different kinds of welding to be done in this world.  Find the kind of work that fascinates you and makes you want to get out of bed every morning and hurry to get to work.  Any other kind of work is just a four letter word.
Reply:Originally Posted by handtpipelineIs the AWS forum still in existence?  My laptop was out of commission for several months, and I can't find that forum now???
Reply:Why on Earth would you "give someone hell" for using an AD hood in the field? Clearly whatever they're doing is working, otherwise they wouldn't be welding in the field. Now, I'm personally not an advocate of using an AD hood for welding pipe, but I would never ridicule a co-worker for doing so. It's a personal preference. Only an amateur believes that the equipment one chooses to use will make or break him. Originally Posted by Cowboy97hell yeah i did but js i would give someone hell for using one of those fancy auto-dark hoods with adjustable this and that on a rig or in the field, shop work i wouldn't blame em like my adjustable A/D for shop work where its dark already
Reply:You wouldn't give me hell! I wear the hood that gives me the best vision! I have 5 A/D hoods-plus my Grandfather's old Jackson! I wear what I can see the puddle best with!!! I have old eyes. I have no time to screw up a weld because I can't see the puddle!
Reply:That's interesting, normally I hear the opposite response. Most people I've talked to find that they have a clearer view of the puddle with a fixed shade lens. I know I do. Originally Posted by 'StangYou wouldn't give me hell! I wear the hood that gives me the best vision! I have 5 A/D hoods-plus my Grandfather's old Jackson! I wear what I can see the puddle best with!!! I have old eyes. I have no time to screw up a weld because I can't see the puddle!
Reply:Originally Posted by Hillbilly WelderThat's interesting, normally I hear the opposite response. Most people I've talked to find that they have a clearer view of the puddle with a fixed shade lens. I know I do.
Reply:I've tried them, wasn't really impressed. I use a Philips Safety Gold lens, and I love it. Contemplating getting their blue or magenta filter. Plus, due to my old school point of view, an AD lens in a pipeliner is borderline sacrilegious Last edited by Hillbilly Welder; 01-14-2016 at 10:17 AM.
Reply:Ever try the Jackson Balder, or the Esab 6-13XL? They have the clearest vision I have found yet. I haven't had much chance to work with the Optrel yet-should be pretty good based on the reviews.
Reply:Yes, actually. The Balder BH3 is my go-to AD hood.