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I know DSW is an instructor and evidently teachagmech is also because he posted photos of a fantastic entry level sample project for his welding class in post #1529 here, http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...-today!/page62. --There are an incredible number of beginners floating around aimlessly at times in these threads
. Im one of them. If anyone who teaches welding formally or informally has the time, Id truly be interested in seeing what projects any instructors start their students out on and Im sure others like me would too. Photos supporting the builds would be extremely helpful.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Mine would be really boring as all we have students do is weld up coupons. In a one night a week class, there really isn't a lot of time to play, though on occasion, late in the class, students will occasionally bring in something they want to work on, or some sort of project that's more in line with what they want to eventually do, tube work, auto body sheet metal etc so they can get pointers on where to go from here.Generic new welder projects are usually a cart for the machine and some sort of work surface like a table..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:I'm not a welding instructor, but here is an idea for a simple project for beginners to try. You can end up with something unique and useful when complete. Part of the educational aspect is figuring out how to get it properly balanced so it is stable when in use. You can see what I had to do when mine wasn't exactly stable after making it.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...ght=Chain+LampSomething similar to this can be fun and a learning experience as well.
Reply:Eq',You have an advantage over guys like me when looking for projects, as you're artistic.I rack my brain looking for "stuff" that needs weldin', and when I can't find any, I hold a fistfull of spoons for artistic inspiration. But the only thing that comes to mind is Lucky Charms.....I love Lucky Charms....And every time I think of Lucky Charms, I think of WelderMike.....is that wrong?Last edited by dubl_t; 11-19-2014 at 10:30 PM.Lincoln SA 200Esab Caddy 160Thermal Arc 201TSMiller Dialarc HFI don't like making plans for the day because then the word "premeditated" gets thrown around the courtroom....
Reply:Maybe I should have titled this differently since I was looking for projects that would teach something or reinforce a newly acquired skill that would result in a product or tool that would be useful around a home or garage like.... a garden hose reel or.... window well cover or.... mailbox stand or who knows.... I realize the possibilities are endless but unlike woodworking projects where one can buy plans and material lists online according to one's skillset.... those don't seem to be available to new weldors. I guess like a lot of people new to welding
. Im looking for something challenging thats not so challenging it would be frustrating and I'm sure there are a lot of options out there that I'm just not spotting. --DSW> What are weld up coupons?--Bisteneau> Oddly enough
. I like everything about chain just like I like everything about diamond plate and my friends know it and have been on the look-out. Last week a neighbor brought me some sort of a motor and a chain hoist crane deal that attaches to an overhead I beam that ran well. He was tired of tripping over the motor and since hed taken the controls off the hoist crane deal he bought 2nd hand to use on the one he already had in his garage
. he said there was no sense hanging onto that any longer either. He dangled the chain with the hook attached to the I beam thingie in front of my face as a joke and said I could do what I wanted with both of them. I put them on the kitchen table so Id remember to ask my husband where the bolt cutters were. He came home
. took one look at them on the table and said, Seriously
. seriously
. you want to take apart a perfectly good motor thats worth at least $100 just for bearings and anything shiny inside and youre going to cut the chain off a lift that only needs new controls? Ever since I started welding, he turned into the Fun Police. Easy come
easy go. He guilted me into leaving them alone. Long and short
I took them over to the guy teaching me to add to his stash because some day hell put them to good use but let me tell you
. that chain and hook were calling out to me to free them. --I definitely like your chain lamp very much and making one of those would give me a chance to practice welding one-handed since presumably you started from the bottom up and held a link in the desired position while tacking another to it with your other hand before moving on to the next link. I need to try one
. soon as I find somebody to give it to when Im finished with it. This may sound strange but
. were in the phase down stage of our lives and were ridding ourselves of anything we can unload so Im really not keeping much of anything Im welding other than the basics of my welding cart, the welding table, the utility cart, tool stands, the dog panel, and any housing I make for rabbits. I like the decorator and yard art projects although I havent kept any of it. Theyre great practice making them and then theres the thrill of the hunt for ideas and materials if that makes any sense. I just like welding is all. Its fun. --Here are some floor lamp ideas from my file that might go well with your table lamp. I may try one of these someday. I bet the chain could be hung from a ceiling and welded.... gravity would keep the links straight. -- --dubl_t> I google well (giggle). No advantage over anyone
. trust me on that. Im totally not artistic but
I steal ideas well from people who are. My secret is that I took a class on how to use search engines. If you go to www.yahoo.com or any search engine of your choice then type in welded + what youre looking for (lamp, owl, bowl, whirligig) or metal + art or sculpture + a part you have (spoon, gear, rim, spring) then click on images
. youd be absolutely amazed at what will come up in the results to provide you with inspiration. Sorta like the fork and spoon frog I copied then added a bug to its tongue. -- Heres two I just found for that fistful of spoons youve got, ----And every time I think of Lucky Charms, I think of WelderMike.....is that wrong? Naaa
. weldermike is one of my favorite posters too. --Pssst
. You and CEP changed your avatars and now its hard for me to spot your posts in threads!!! For shame... for shame... MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Something like this is a coupon This one is for a 3pass fillet weld, it will most likely end up in the scrap bin or I could weld 2 of them together to make a wheel chockLast edited by Firemanmike69; 11-23-2014 at 11:40 AM.
Reply:Oh oh oh.... trying to take a peek and can't because a window says it's an invalid attachment. Maybe just link me to the page the coupon is on and I'll look for the photo?MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumOh oh oh.... trying to take a peek and can't because a window says it's an invalid attachment. Maybe just link me to the page the coupon is on and I'll look for the photo?
Reply:Yeah coupons are just 2 pieces of steel used to practice joints. Firemanmike's example is one for a T joint. We do laps, T's outside corners and but joints as well as simple beads on flat plate..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumMaybe I should have titled this differently since I was looking for projects that would teach something or reinforce a newly acquired skill that would result in a product or tool that would be useful around a home or garage like.... a garden hose reel or.....
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium . . . Id truly be interested in seeing what projects any instructors start their students out on and Im sure others like me would too. . .
Reply:EQ,I believe the Miller site has an entire section on suggested projects. Lincoln may have also.30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30" vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press
Reply:Here are a few of mine. First a cord/air hose hanger. Piece of flat bar, 3/8" rod cut at a 45 degree angle. Angle welded on.http://s243.photobucket.com/user/kcb...00376.jpg.htmlThis is a stand for an S10 toolbox. All the metal was from an old beat up swing set.The table my computer is sitting on right now.The last thing I put together a trailer dolly.What can you do that is simple, what do you want, need, or what can make life easier?
Reply:My biggest hold up to my students doing projects is the lack of funding on the local level. The other problem is meeting the state standards and NCCER/Sense requirements which further drain my limiter resources. For the 2014-2015 school year I have $1325 to spend on my program. That must cover all of my consumables and metal and it does not go far when the NCCER performance guidelines stipulate that you must do things a certain way. Welding 1 has requirements that students do groove welds in all positions on 6x7 (3x7 and 3x7) 3/8 minimum steel. They also want it with and without backing using 7018 and 6010 electrodes. With an average of 20 in my 2 Welding 1 classes that is a whole lot of steel, electrodes and grinding wheels to make the bevels. I calculated how much roughly all that would cost at about 6 grand per semester, and that doesn't include my level 2 class or anything outside of the above mentioned materials.Pretty much anything I do outside of the requirements are done using drops that I get from local companies who let me dumpster dive their scrap bins or if anybody else in the community has anything they need done. I will begin teaching a postsecondary program next year and I will be interested how that impacts my high school level classes and materials.
Reply:Heres an excellent beginner "follow along", http://www.instructables.com/id/Begi...oor-Fireplace/--Hes obviously promoting his online courses but the coat hanger rack project is very easy to reproduce with his photos, http://makemoneywelding.com/blog/wel...rack-beginner/--Heres a phenomenal tutorial for an advanced beginner, http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...de-Can-Crusher--Firemanmike69 & DSW> gotcha on the coupons. I actually think photos of coupons along with the corresponding welds would be very appropriate
. they would give beginner weldors an idea of what to look for at scrap yards as well as an idea of how to start out practicing. Everyone has to start somewhere and I know I sure would benefit from vertical coupons. --Bisteneau> BINGO!!! Way cool
. Exactly the type of project I had in mind. All youd need would be more photos if available, a materials list, and fabrication tips. --NorOnt> The projects come AFTER some formal instruction and training correct? I was really lucky and found a retired neighbor who welded professionally for decades with some time on his hands. He had real life experience dealing with people like me who barely knew the names of tools let alone when or how to use them safely. There are an incredible number of new people who go it on their own either by choice or necessity. Reality down here in the lower 48 is that few High Schools offer shop classes, neighbors like mine are far and few between, most of our community colleges have classes for certification that are offered at times when most have to be at work so they can pay their bills, weekend classes Ive found are designed to provide attendees with a taste of welding and are actually geared toward selling them machines and materials and
. beyond that
. the economy sucks big time
. few of us have the discretionary income we had just a few years ago. So in answer to your question
. Maybe
. maybe not.--If youre comfortable sharing it, I think the syllabus you created for your friend might come in real handy for someone who doesnt have a friend like you who welds. --storeman> Way cool!!! What a mixed bag of skill level projects though!!! I found projects at Miller, http://www.millerwelds.com/interests.../in-the-shop/
. Nice collection of idea photos with a very basic project description. Very little on the actual builds
. few DIY instructions and some of the projects were quite advanced but
. there were a few entry level ideas laced throughout. I also found Lincolns projects page, http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...-projects.aspx. I found something Id like to make thats probably more of an intermediate level project
. http://www.millerwelds.com/interests...ect/5690261565 and this.... http://www.millerwelds.com/interests...ect/8519302519.... no photos of either build and no instructions
. another stumbling block to either of these would be that most just starting out wont have a lathe and probably couldnt afford one
. I know I cant. Heres a project that had a decent description but no build photos and the photo that is posted is very dark so it would be a challenge to copy, http://www.millerwelds.com/interests...ect/5690837192. Heres a great hay feeder that could be scaled down for goats, http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...er-detail.aspx. To Lincolns credit, I found two excellent beginner type projects, http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...ng-device.aspx and this 55-gallon drum dolly, http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...ly-detail.aspx. Overall, Lincoln provided more photos per project but their projects were also more advanced and lacking instruction. Probably for liability reasons given I found this disclaimer at the bottom of each project, "*The above project images and descriptions have been published to show how individuals used their ingenuity for their own needs, convenience and enjoyment. Only limited details are available and the projects have NOT been engineered by the Lincoln Electric Company. Therefore, when you use the ideas for projects of your own, you must develop your own details and plans and the safety and performance of your work is your responsibility. And this sorta sums up why I started this thread
. very few resources online for entry level welding projects all in one location and whats out there
. generally has one photo of the completed project and sorely lacks the information a newbie would need to start and follow a project through to completion. --Kcb37> B I N G O to you too!!! These are definitely projects in line with what I had in mind!!!! I was referred to WW by people who were sincerely interested in learning how to weld and in turn
I referred people who were sincerely interested in learning how to weld to WW. Not a one of us had any experience to speak of
. just a desire to learn and navigating this site with a gazillion threads and personality types can be overwhelming
. too overwhelming at times. Im the only one still active here and was hoping to create a resource thread that people with zip nadda no experience could find and use as a springboard. Thought being that more would stick it out if they could find easy projects and members willing to "talk" them through the process of completing them. As CosmicRambler put it.... "hand out dumbed down projects." --Love how you added that the parts for your toolbox stand were from an old swing set
. new welders dont exactly realize how easy it can be re-purposing metal that might already be in their own backyards!!! And bed frames
. Its absolutely amazing what can be done with old bed frames. Bisteneau suggested I add those to my stash when I 1st started. --That trailer dolly is absolutely awesome!!! Its worthy of a thread all its own... with a link added to this thread!!! Ill just ask the same of you as I asked of Bisteneau, All youd need would be more photos if available, a materials list, and fabrication tips. When someone is brand new looking at one photo of a finished product
. their odds of being able to duplicate it would be slim to none. --Something else
. I spotted firewood in your last photo. A firewood stand would probably be a really great beginner project.--What can you do that is simple, what do you want, need, or what can make life easier? Great questions!!! Exactly what should be asked of newbies but
. generally isnt. Hopefully newly registered beginners will spot some of the ideas in this thread and ask for help from people like you if they see something theyd like to try. --Bub> By the sounds of it
. the kids are only able to complete their requirements BECAUSE of you. Id suggest going to the school board but
. Im sure youve done that already and hit the proverbial brick wall what with the way we like to prep all kids for college whether they want to go or not. Its a shame theyve got you
. and so many other dedicated educators
.. between a rock and a hard place spending your own time and hard earned $$$ on gas driving around picking up materials. So much for FAPE
. --Remember when we were kids and we did scavenger hunts? What about creating a materials list complete with places where they might be found then sharing your budgetary restraints with your students and asking for their help? Its entirely possible there are kids in your classes with relatives who owns a business the next county over with scrap theyd be in a position to share and who knows
. maybe the relative would continue sharing long after the kid completed your course. --By the way, youre a fantastic teacher if youre out there dumpster diving for your kids to better ensure their future success in life!!!!MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Oh oh oh.... because of the ephemeral nature of the internet... loading photos is preferable to linking to them at a place like say... PhotoBucket. I know it can be really frustrating running into older threads when all the photos are gone.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:I will add another thought.Having several ideas in your head of what you want or could use are helpful. The problem is (for me atleast) waiting until you have the right pieces to make them.The trailer dolly I posted had been an idea for about a year. Just didn't have what looked like the right material. May have said it, that was a headache rack that was not finished for an 06 F250 that was given to me. Figured I would cut it up into usable pieces. Once apart sitting in the driveway with a beer (shhhhhh) Thought crossed my mind I have wheels, an axle, a ball, part of a trailer axle could be a handle. So we end up with a thrown together trailer dolly. Been great for me so far.Same idea with the tool box stand have 2 swing sets (best parts of both are a swing set for the kids, but I have all this left....)Right now after making a small table for my mom, I have a small pile of aluminum square tube that I have no idea what to do with other then a step stool to take to work, top would be diamond plate if I do that. Left over from a sheet my dad got when he had my trailer and wanted a piece to replace the stock piece on the front.Having scrap or finding scrap is a combination of having an idea in your head to begin with, or seeing something and getting a picture of what you can do with it to make what you want.
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Reply:here you go copy this stuff. The hammer is a brass hammer and steel. I used a silicon bronze tig rod on it works great
Reply:if you make the dice you will need to drill the holes first before welding or tack it together and drill one hole before welding the whole thing because if u don't the pressure inside the box will blow out your weld when you get ur last weld in. Ask me how I know lol. These are 1/8 inch drilled by hand with pos drill bitsLast edited by motolife313; 12-05-2014 at 03:20 AM.
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Reply:oil can for drill bits and carbide burr and other stuff. So now you got some ideas to go off. Just make them better then mine!
Reply:I couldn't figure out why you needed to drill the holes in the dice before you had it together. Think I got it, all the shavings that go inside won't want to come out.
Reply:the chrome guy at my brothers work did have a problem. That's a good theory tho. I guess this thread really is for noobsOriginally Posted by EquilibriumNorOnt> If you’re comfortable sharing it, I think the syllabus you created for your friend might come in real handy for someone who doesn’t have a friend like you who welds.
Reply:Formatting all messed up!PaulMiller Thunderbolt XLPraxair O/AOther stuff
Reply:A great discussion on metal thicknesses for beginners, http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...aching-welding--Another really great beginner project of an angle grinder rack here complete with a YouTube tutorial, http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...e-Grinder-Rack --And speaking of firewood racks
. Heres one that just popped up in a thread that looks perfect for someone just starting out, http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...-Firewood-Rack. --Oodles of nice horseshoe art projects here, http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...seshoe-project--kch37> I know what you mean about having "ideas" in your head and then having to wait until all the pieces are gathered. --"Having scrap or finding scrap is a combination of having an idea in your head to begin with, or seeing something and getting a picture of what you can do with it to make what you want." So true.... it's just hard coming up with ideas unless I see photos of other people's projects first. --motolife313> What do you use that hammer for?-- I've actually seen the dice project before and there may even be a YouTube on fabrication out there. I believe it's one of the suggested activities for Boy Scouts working toward earning their welding merit badge. Really great that you added yours because dice certainly aren't as easy to fabricate as they look. --What's the cherry jello looking fluid in your shiny new oil can? Just curious. --"I guess this thread really is for noobs" Exactly!!! Everybody has to start somewhere and needs some direction if they're going it on their own. --NorOnt> I really LIKE your syllabus!!!! I know the man teaching me had a "game plan" too and it really made all the difference in the world. --"Eye, skin, head, hand, foot, respiratory" To that you might want to consider adding ear. I dropped a few points since I started welding and it was totally preventable. I have only myself to blame. Ear plugs are cheap.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:I do have one more real simple project.This picture is just a piece of flat stock, round bar. The round bar I cut at 45 degree cause well that's as far as the saw goes so... Welded to the flat stock, mounted to the bolts already in the wall with nuts left over from the original build of my shop. I do have another one (no pic, I can take one if you want)More or less I took a push mower handle. Cut the top (where you hold on) off so I could make a u-shape, then the bottom off of one side for the "flat" part where it mounts to the mower body.Think cutting one leg off, and narrowing the handle then shortening the one leg a lot. Hammered the "flat" part more "flat" mounted it to the wall, that holds my air hoses by my compressor.I try to make as much from "scrap" scrap in "" because saying is true one man's trash is anothers treasure.I tend to run across enough if I wait for it, buying new or even scrap is just not really a priority at the moment.Can add one more, I did make a post pounder. Small one but great size for the fence I was putting up. (small post/fence) was for the garden to have something for peas to grow up.At any rate center tube as part of an 89 Camaro driveshaft, handles off an 4 link from an S10 axle given to me, flat bar to conned the handles and cap for the tube were a piece of the fabricated bumper off my 49 F-1.Can dig that out and take a pic if you want.I will add while I do not consider myself a beginner I do have along way to go to compare to what of lot of the members here can do.But I do like the thread and your idea in general. Mostly my welders/tools are for myself. I get some side work here and there, some I turn away because it's more then I want to do, or more then I should do anyway. A lot of what I do is just to help out and I get my return in other ways then payment. But seeing someone else's idea be it a cord hanger, picnic table/picnic table trailer (believe the trailer is on millers project page) it helps. But at the end of the day if you can have a little imagination necessity is the mother of invention...Last edited by kcb37; 12-08-2014 at 10:10 PM.Eastwood 135 mig welderHobart Stickmate LX 235 AC / 160 DCHobart EX Tig 165
Reply:kcb37> Interestingly enough.... that wall mounted cord holder was in my personal file of good ideas!!! We have so many darn extension cords laying around here I added it to my personal to do list for next year. Really glad you posted a photo of it since.... I can't get to that file right now.--Would definitely love to see a photo of what you did to the push mower. I've got a frame to a push lawn mover and was wondering what could be done with it. Oh oh oh.... a photo of your post pounder would be great also.--"I will add while I do not consider myself a beginner I do have along way to go to compare to what of lot of the members here can do." I'm not an entry level beginner any longer either.... I guess I'd consider myself more of a novice these days but I'm like you and am awed by what others do. --"But I do like the thread and your idea in general." Thank you so much. I've sent a few people here.... most were overwhelmed and felt like they were drowning in a sea of projects that were too complicated for them. I was hoping a thread like this would "steer" beginners to projects that wouldn't be over their heads. It's nice when you're 1st starting out if you can build your confidence by completing a few projects while learning something along the way.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin |
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