Welding fail of the century......

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Reply:Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:That's some topnotch work somebody did there. Good thing the fishplate kept it from falling on some ones head.
Reply:Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:And now, someone, (qualified)  has to gouge all that crap out, and fix it the right way......Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:don't forget, theres a BIG difference between qualified and competent!!!!  maybe they were testing a new miller machine.... Last edited by shaynoak; 03-18-2015 at 01:50 AM.
Reply:It's pretty bad when you can pull it off by hand.
Reply:Arc air time  and good lord that is bad...I think I did better the first time I stick welded and that was when I was 10.--Wintermute"No man's knowledge here can go beyond his experience." - John Lockewww.improvised-engineering.comManufacturer Agnostic:Blood----------Sweat---------Tears----|------------------|----------------|----Lincoln Red, Miller Blue, Esab Yellow
Reply:WOW!! that's sad!! I'm really hoping that person didn't pay a shop to turn that crap out!!!.....-DoogieMiller 350PMiller Trailblazer 325 EFI w/ Excel PowerLincoln LN25 suitcase welderXMT 304/22a feederMiller Syncrowave 350LXMiller EconotigHobart Handler 140(2) Uni-Hydro 42-14Hypertherm 65 plasmaWEBB Gap bed lathe
Reply:Please post pictures of the repair, looks like a lot of gouging and beveling, be curious about the time it takes to repair.
Reply:WOW ... well keep them pictures coming ... will be a good thread to keep an eye on!!Located In SE OklahomaLincoln Mig 135Hobart Ironman 230 Mig5x10 CNC Table with DTHC & FTHypertherm PM65 on the tableMiller Bobcatwww.caneyagequipment.com
Reply:my .02, it's like the break is located at the weak point and it might be cheaper, better easier to cut few inches farther and out of the high stress points , replace with new steel and bigger fishplate, have fun.
Reply:So will you need to grind and gouge it, or will you scrape it off with a fingernail ?
Reply:Holy sweet beejeezus! That is a first class mess.Yeah, I know, but it'll be ok!Lincoln Square wave 255Miller Vintage mig30a spoolgunThermal Dynamics Pacmaster 100xl plasmaSmith mc torchEllis 1600 band saw
Reply:Someone went to a lot of work to do that...............now someone has a lot more work..................110 volt welder youtube video?
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopAnd now, someone, (qualified)  has to gouge all that crap out, and fix it the right way......
Reply:Originally Posted by EastTexSounds like the repair price just doubled.
Reply:Originally Posted by hwatkinsPlease post pictures of the repair, looks like a lot of gouging and beveling, be curious about the time it takes to repair.
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Reply:I feel like that would be a repair I'd do...... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshop
Reply:Originally Posted by FORTEALLOYMaybe my imagination, but the so-called repair did not even last long enough to wear off the slag and smoke discoloration. ???? A new level of failure...
Reply:Wow that is crazy2 Hobart MIG welders, 1 on the gas 1 flux coreHTP Invertig 221 DV Eastwood TIG200HTP MIG 2400
Reply:Hard to tell from the photos, but it looks like they scabbed on some cast iron to "beef it up". Is that on old Frying Pan?Ok, you pro guys see things with these welds us hobby weldors do not.  Even as a newby, I can see some issues....  For you pro guys comments like "A new level of failure..." you guys really understand and get the meaning.  I don't necessarily get it because I'm not in the business.Please, What I need to hear from you pro's is what exactly are the error/faults/problems with the welds.  That way, I can link your observations to the appropriate photos and make a mental connection and try not to make those same mistakes.I doubt I'll ever weld on something like this, but understanding your comments would really help me.Thanks in advance,I really have no idea what I am doing.Two Shop Cats (not Bobcats...real cats)Miller DialArc 250 AC/DCScratch-Start TIG SetupMIG 175Plasma CutterO/A
Reply:Originally Posted by wannab1Ok, you pro guys see things with these welds us hobby weldors do not.  Even as a newby, I can see some issues....  For you pro guys comments like "A new level of failure..." you guys really understand and get the meaning.  I don't necessarily get it because I'm not in the business.Please, What I need to hear from you pro's is what exactly are the error/faults/problems with the welds.  That way, I can link your observations to the appropriate photos and make a mental connection and try not to make those same mistakes.I doubt I'll ever weld on something like this, but understanding your comments would really help me.Thanks in advance,
Reply:Originally Posted by wannab1...what exactly are the error/faults/problems with the welds. ...
Reply:Originally Posted by wannab1Ok, you pro guys see things with these welds us hobby weldors do not.  Even as a newby, I can see some issues....  For you pro guys comments like "A new level of failure..." you guys really understand and get the meaning.  I don't necessarily get it because I'm not in the business.Please, What I need to hear from you pro's is what exactly are the error/faults/problems with the welds.  That way, I can link your observations to the appropriate photos and make a mental connection and try not to make those same mistakes.I doubt I'll ever weld on something like this, but understanding your comments would really help me.Thanks in advance,
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopYou are correct.This is the welding fail of the century...."Oh yeah, I got a guy down the street that can fix it for $200".....Then when the first "repair" didn't hold, they have to pay the real weldors, probably into the thousands to get it done right.
Reply:Yikes that's pretty bad John and I've seen some pretty bad heavy equipment fixes. I wouldn't even air arc that out, I'd cut it 2-3" lower and weld In a whole new piece. Put a good bevel on it, weld a strong back to it to help control warping put a few passes in on one side cut the strong back off,back gouge the other side and weld it out
Reply:Outstanding, I could swear slag is structural.Miller Big 40GMiller HF-251 D High FreqVictor OA Lincoln 135 MigMK 3A CobramaticBridgeport J HeadCronatron OxylanceRadnor ACAG TorchWeldcraft TIG Torches1 blown knee and two 5 Gallon pails away from being a hero.
Reply:Originally Posted by Mick120I was doing better than that when I bought my first buzz box....No helmet (couldn't afford one) just by closing my eyes.
Reply:Originally Posted by Firemanmike69Yikes that's pretty bad John and I've seen some pretty bad heavy equipment fixes. I wouldn't even air arc that out, I'd cut it 2-3" lower and weld In a whole new piece. Put a good bevel on it, weld a strong back to it to help control warping put a few passes in on one side cut the strong back off,back gouge the other side and weld it out
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopI agree, just cut the whole thing off and weld a new one on.Faster in my opinion.
Reply:Fortealloy, thanks, I think that helps.  everywhere I go my eyes tend to look at welds.  I do know what a bad weld LOOKS (a bad-looking weld) like, but I not always sure that that means it's a bad weld.  That's why I asked for some clarification.I'll never do anything like repair a bucket like that, though.I really have no idea what I am doing.Two Shop Cats (not Bobcats...real cats)Miller DialArc 250 AC/DCScratch-Start TIG SetupMIG 175Plasma CutterO/A
Reply:Hey, quit messin guys, that was some of my finest work."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopI agree, just cut the whole thing off and weld a new one on.Faster in my opinion.
Reply:I can guess the story behind that bucket repair.I'm betting the machine operator was stranded deep in a pit on some remote slope in Alaska, and all he had was some 1/16"  6013 and a set of jumper cables and the machine battery to work with and only 5 gal diesel....Where he then long arc'd thru multi layers of flux cause he had only rocks to chip flux with, and no way to scrape the scales off the fish he caught barehanded to plate it with. The fact he got that bucket reclawed and used it to claw his way up out of that pit and then managed to tank tread it back to pavement speaks lots about his MacGyver DNA.Farmers do the same when they 100 acres away from dinner, the fire and the dog.
Reply:Originally Posted by wornoutoldwelderI can guess the story behind that bucket repair.I'm betting the machine operator was stranded deep in a pit on some remote slope in Alaska, and all he had was some 1/16"  6013 and a set of jumper cables and the machine battery to work with and only 5 gal diesel....Where he then long arc'd thru multi layers of flux cause he had only rocks to chip flux with, and no way to scrape the scales off the fish he caught barehanded to plate it with. The fact he got that bucket reclawed and used it to claw his way up out of that pit and then managed to tank tread it back to pavement speaks lots about his MacGyver DNA.Farmers do the same when they 100 acres away from dinner, the fire and the dog.
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopThis was all  welded with 7018 on DC.From the looks of the welds.I feel for the owner of the bucket, who got screwed by the first welder.Just sad stuff.
Reply:Shucks, I was hoping it was the result of some epic Alaskan survival effort...Hell, we got countless guys down here on work release on Meth that do better than that with 7018, A/C or D/C....Not that i'm bragging.
Reply:That is some sad **** there Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:That looks like a case where a 110v MIG would have been an improvement
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopThis was all  welded with 7018 on DC.From the looks of the welds.I feel for the owner of the bucket, who got screwed by the first welder.Just sad stuff.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveBe serious, rod type and polarity by looking at a bad weld?
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopDude,I can look at a weld and telll what it was welded with.No surprise.
Reply:Originally Posted by BrianC!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopDude,I can look at a weld and telll what it was welded with.No surprise.
Reply:Well at least it looks like the crap welds and **** plates can be scrubbed off with an arcair and a grinder Beveled and re jigged and welded back on the way they should have been to start with ...unless they are FUBAR also but it doesn't look like it from the picsDidn't get enough pen to damage them and where the crappy welds are located will be blown off as it's beveledWhat kind of moron would put 1/4 " fish plates over failed 1" base plate ?? Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck