Certiflat tab and slot welding table kit

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I have been looking to buy a small (2'x4' or so) welding table and I ran across this:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heavy-Duty-2...item4d363f9b3dAnyone here try one? Seems like a decent table for what I need. I'm just going to be doing small projects at home so I don't really need a heavy duty table. I've also been looking at a folding Miller Arcstation if anyone has any feedback on those. Thanks
Reply:Originally Posted by Beemer533I have been looking to buy a small (2'x4' or so) welding table and I ran across this:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heavy-Duty-2...item4d363f9b3dAnyone here try one? Seems like a decent table for what I need. I'm just going to be doing small projects at home so I don't really need a heavy duty table. I've also been looking at a folding Miller Arcstation if anyone has any feedback on those. Thanks
Reply:from what i could gather the table is 3/16" thick. if that's so i don't think it will stay flat for very long.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderfrom what i could gather the table is 3/16" thick. if that's so i don't think it will stay flat for very long.
Reply:I just received a custom designed 4' by 8' table with an 8" apron on all four sides. The surface is 1/4" thick but there is a 5" x 1/4" web structure underneath to keep it flat. I did not assemble the table yet but the customer service was excellent. I have two strong hand tables at work. I decided to go with tab and slot for my own shop. I will post up some pictures when I get it assembled.Last edited by Jds2835; 08-17-2015 at 07:32 PM.
Reply:Does those certiflat tab and slot tables come with any clamps and fixtures?  The fixture point tables by stronghand comes with clamps and fixtures for either round or square tubing.  Just food for thought if you hadn't bought it yet.
Reply:Originally Posted by golfingweldorDoes those certiflat tab and slot tables come with any clamps and fixtures?  The fixture point tables by stronghand comes with clamps and fixtures for either round or square tubing.  Just food for thought if you hadn't bought it yet.
Reply:A 2x3 piece of 3/16 for $300 is pretty pricey! I just bought a 5x10 and a 4x5 sheet for $250ish for a job. Why don't you go to your local steel supplier and buy a nice piece of 1/2" in the size you want? Fixture table are way overrated in my opinion. Buy your own plate, don't strip the carbon off the top (the black mill scale is very hard and is like a wear surface, it also resists welding BBs). If you think you need holes, buy/rent/borrow a mag drill and drill some holes. Build yourself a nice stout frame, angle iron is best in my experience for the top frame, and some 4" square for the legs. You are money ahead, and have a much stouter table. I can buy large rems of 1/2" for .40 cents per pound, 1/2" is 20 pounds per square foot, so a 2x4 of 1/2" is roughly $64. So your build cost is much lower. A mag drill might cost $40 a day to rent, plus the steel for the legs, add on another $40, and you are into your table for $144. Personally, 40"x60" is about the smallest table that I would find useful. Also, I would skip all the holes. Tack things to the table, or build clamps with a foot that you tack to the table. I have been doing that for over 10 years on mine and it has not made the surface wavy or unusable. Is it ideal? No, but at $64 for your size top, just replace it every 10 years or so if it gets bad.
Reply:Crikey!  $.40 a pound!  That's like the good old days.  What are they charging for shapes?  Man oh man, I got charged $.99 for some dang .060 drop off the back of the shear just for practice stuff the other day.DanI hope that when i'm dead and gone, people will remember me and think; "Boy, that guy sure owed me a lot of money!"
Reply:I went with a 5/8" 4x4 table, about $1/lb CDN. It actually got flatter by stitching it onto the base. Half that thickness would be about half as useful.SqWave 200Millermatic 190Airco 200 ACHypertherm PM45Boice-Crane Band SawVictor O/A
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerA 2x3 piece of 3/16 for $300 is pretty pricey! I just bought a 5x10 and a 4x5 sheet for $250ish for a job. Why don't you go to your local steel supplier and buy a nice piece of 1/2" in the size you want? Fixture table are way overrated in my opinion. Buy your own plate, don't strip the carbon off the top (the black mill scale is very hard and is like a wear surface, it also resists welding BBs). If you think you need holes, buy/rent/borrow a mag drill and drill some holes. Build yourself a nice stout frame, angle iron is best in my experience for the top frame, and some 4" square for the legs. You are money ahead, and have a much stouter table. I can buy large rems of 1/2" for .40 cents per pound, 1/2" is 20 pounds per square foot, so a 2x4 of 1/2" is roughly $64. So your build cost is much lower. A mag drill might cost $40 a day to rent, plus the steel for the legs, add on another $40, and you are into your table for $144. Personally, 40"x60" is about the smallest table that I would find useful. Also, I would skip all the holes. Tack things to the table, or build clamps with a foot that you tack to the table. I have been doing that for over 10 years on mine and it has not made the surface wavy or unusable. Is it ideal? No, but at $64 for your size top, just replace it every 10 years or so if it gets bad.
Reply:GarlicCity,Those tab and slot tables look well designed.  I didn't know it was a kit that you had to weld up.  Pretty cool.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerA 2x3 piece of 3/16 for $300 is pretty pricey! I just bought a 5x10 and a 4x5 sheet for $250ish for a job. Why don't you go to your local steel supplier and buy a nice piece of 1/2" in the size you want? Fixture table are way overrated in my opinion. Buy your own plate, don't strip the carbon off the top (the black mill scale is very hard and is like a wear surface, it also resists welding BBs). If you think you need holes, buy/rent/borrow a mag drill and drill some holes. Build yourself a nice stout frame, angle iron is best in my experience for the top frame, and some 4" square for the legs. You are money ahead, and have a much stouter table. I can buy large rems of 1/2" for .40 cents per pound, 1/2" is 20 pounds per square foot, so a 2x4 of 1/2" is roughly $64. So your build cost is much lower. A mag drill might cost $40 a day to rent, plus the steel for the legs, add on another $40, and you are into your table for $144. Personally, 40"x60" is about the smallest table that I would find useful. Also, I would skip all the holes. Tack things to the table, or build clamps with a foot that you tack to the table. I have been doing that for over 10 years on mine and it has not made the surface wavy or unusable. Is it ideal? No, but at $64 for your size top, just replace it every 10 years or so if it gets bad.
Reply:Originally Posted by golfingweldorGarlicCity,Those tab and slot tables look well designed.  ... Pretty cool.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerA 2x3 piece of 3/16 for $300 is pretty pricey! I just bought a 5x10 and a 4x5 sheet for $250ish for a job. Why don't you go to your local steel supplier and buy a nice piece of 1/2" in the size you want? Fixture table are way overrated in my opinion. Buy your own plate, don't strip the carbon off the top (the black mill scale is very hard and is like a wear surface, it also resists welding BBs). If you think you need holes, buy/rent/borrow a mag drill and drill some holes. Build yourself a nice stout frame, angle iron is best in my experience for the top frame, and some 4" square for the legs. You are money ahead, and have a much stouter table. I can buy large rems of 1/2" for .40 cents per pound, 1/2" is 20 pounds per square foot, so a 2x4 of 1/2" is roughly $64. So your build cost is much lower. A mag drill might cost $40 a day to rent, plus the steel for the legs, add on another $40, and you are into your table for $144. Personally, 40"x60" is about the smallest table that I would find useful. Also, I would skip all the holes. Tack things to the table, or build clamps with a foot that you tack to the table. I have been doing that for over 10 years on mine and it has not made the surface wavy or unusable. Is it ideal? No, but at $64 for your size top, just replace it every 10 years or so if it gets bad.
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderi thought that certiflat was on the expensive side also. as much as i'd love a fixture table (bluco/acorn) i'd be afraid of messing it up. i weld to my 5/8" bench top all the time and it's got grinding divots here and there. so far it's held up for 29 years. when it hits the 30 year mark i'll flip it and i'll be set for another 30.
Reply:Thanks for the responses guys. I've been on travel for work so I haven't had any time to put into this. .. I should be home in a couple of weeks so I hope to figure something out soon. I've been checking out CL,  but nothing really has come up.If I had my way,  I'd build a table from scratch,  but time is a factor for me, I just want to have something to use, not another project right now. Originally Posted by walkerA 2x3 piece of 3/16 for $300 is pretty pricey! I just bought a 5x10 and a 4x5 sheet for $250ish for a job. Why don't you go to your local steel supplier and buy a nice piece of 1/2" in the size you want? Fixture table are way overrated in my opinion. Buy your own plate, don't strip the carbon off the top (the black mill scale is very hard and is like a wear surface, it also resists welding BBs). If you think you need holes, buy/rent/borrow a mag drill and drill some holes. Build yourself a nice stout frame, angle iron is best in my experience for the top frame, and some 4" square for the legs. You are money ahead, and have a much stouter table. I can buy large rems of 1/2" for .40 cents per pound, 1/2" is 20 pounds per square foot, so a 2x4 of 1/2" is roughly $64. So your build cost is much lower. A mag drill might cost $40 a day to rent, plus the steel for the legs, add on another $40, and you are into your table for $144. Personally, 40"x60" is about the smallest table that I would find useful. Also, I would skip all the holes. Tack things to the table, or build clamps with a foot that you tack to the table. I have been doing that for over 10 years on mine and it has not made the surface wavy or unusable. Is it ideal? No, but at $64 for your size top, just replace it every 10 years or so if it gets bad.
Reply:Originally Posted by GarlicCityI saw those too.  It looks pretty nice to me.  Their feedback on that item is good also.  I bought their 2' X 3' table with the "free" casters.  I will post my experience on here when I get it.
Reply:Originally Posted by Beemer533Great, I'm looking forward to hearing about what you think about it!Also, I had forgotten about it, but when I went and picked up an argon tank at Airgas they had a Miller arc station there; any feedback on those? I'm not finding a ton of reviews. .. I don't necessarily need a folding table, but it would probably work fine for me for the near future. .
Reply:Keep us updated I was curious too when I saw them on ebay, you can apparently call them and ask for a different top thickness.Miller Maxstar 200 SDPiperliner #10 Gold
Reply:Originally Posted by GarlicCityI received the kit on Friday.  Just beginning to put it together in between other priorities. I am going to be TIG welding it together as my MIG is in mothballs right now.  I cleaned up all the joints where it will be welded with my sander.  The fit is pretty good. I didn't need to hammer anything together and at the same time, it wasn't real sloppy.  Keep in mind that I hit the surface of the joints with my sander.  Need to grab a couple more clamps, but that's just a good excuse to get a couple more clamps. So far, so good as they say.
Reply:Originally Posted by Beemer533Cool, thanks for the update! Did you get the top kit only, or the whole kit with legs?
Reply:Off topic, but this table is for sale locally.  Too big and heavy for my purposes, but damn!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------HTP Invertig 131 DC/HFMiller Gold Star with Hobart wire feed (in storage right now).INE Skyline 33 Plasma CutterHammerChiselsome screwdrivers, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by GarlicCityOff topic, but this table is for sale locally.  Too big and heavy for my purposes, but damn!
Reply:Originally Posted by GarlicCityI got the kit with the legs and "free" casters.  The kit with just the table and legs is $189.00.  The kit with the table, legs, and "free" casters is $269.00.  I'm not complaining, but "free", really?Table kit is assembled now.  I am going to paint it, but I am going to add onto it so I will wait.  Overall, I'm satisfied with it.  It went together well and if I had my MIG welder at the shop, it would have gone much easier/faster.  It also helps to already have a welding table to work from.  Chicken/egg thing.  The thing I worried most about is the table rocking.  It doesn't.  I pretty much just followed the video instructions except for I cleaned the mill scale off best I could for TIG welding.  BTW, this is the first thing I built/assembled using TIG.  Had to get into some awkward positions and not having a fingertip control really sucked. It's pretty flat lengthwise.  On the short side it's a little convex, but not too bad ~0.015".  I would have expected the opposite.  I plan on using table spacers so I'm not worried.  I had to lean on it a little to get the legs square to the table and one of the legs took a little convincing to go all the way down to the table.  I would suggest not screwing on the casters and using a mallet on the end of the leg if one doesn't want to go. I did it the way the instructions suggest and the tabs bent.  Not a big problem as I just removed the cross brace and straightened it. The other legs went down easily.  The nuts they sent were plated so I removed the plating with muriatic acid at ~25% mix with water.   Anyway, I just wanted to report back as I said I would.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------HTP Invertig 131 DC/HFMiller Gold Star with Hobart wire feed (in storage right now).INE Skyline 33 Plasma CutterHammerChiselsome screwdrivers, etc.
Reply:Cool,  thanks for the feedback! I was kind wondering about building it without a table to begin with,  but it sounds like it came out pretty well. Would it be worth borrowing a MiG to put it together? This post edited by the NSA
Reply:Originally Posted by Beemer533Cool,  thanks for the feedback! I was kind wondering about building it without a table to begin with,  but it sounds like it came out pretty well. Would it be worth borrowing a MiG to put it together? This post edited by the NSA
Reply:I wish I would of found this deal first.  I was looking for the fixture kit and found the Strong Hand Fixturepoint table with the round tube fixture kit for $363.00 here.  I'd say that's a good price.  Best I found was $450.00.  I did find the fixture kit here as well for a great price.http://weldingsupply.com/cgi-bin/spi...1|206

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Reply:Cheeze and Rice!That guy needs an auto darkening lens for his helmet. I was getting agitated just watching him flip it up a bunch of times.  Probably just my OCD. But dang, selling a product and don't have a decent helmet for your application?Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v  Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:Did you ever get this put together? I'm curious about how it turned out. Originally Posted by Jds2835I just received a custom designed 4' by 8' table with an 8" apron on all four sides. The surface is 1/4" thick but there is a 5" x 1/4" web structure underneath to keep it flat. I did not assemble the table yet but the customer service was excellent. I have two strong hand tables at work. I decided to go with tab and slot for my own shop. I will post up some pictures when I get it assembled.
Reply:Oh crap!    On sale: $339.  Last edited by GarlicCity; 09-19-2015 at 04:27 PM.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------HTP Invertig 131 DC/HFMiller Gold Star with Hobart wire feed (in storage right now).INE Skyline 33 Plasma CutterHammerChiselsome screwdrivers, etc.
Reply:i'm impressed. it's no bluco set-up or even an acorn platen but for what it is it looks pretty sturdy for light/medium fabrication.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderi'm impressed. it's no bluco set-up or even an acorn platen but for what it is it looks pretty sturdy for light/medium fabrication.
Reply:Has anyone used any of the Stronhand/BuildPro clamps on one of these Certiflat tables?  I just feel that a 1/4 table, not even to speak of 3/16 doesnt provide enough contact surface inside the 5/8 inch holes for the clamp pegs to bite onto.  Also wobbling out those holes quite quickly.
Reply:Originally Posted by TriggerTXHas anyone used any of the Stronhand/BuildPro clamps on one of these Certiflat tables?  I just feel that a 1/4 table, not even to speak of 3/16 doesnt provide enough contact surface inside the 5/8 inch holes for the clamp pegs to bite onto.  Also wobbling out those holes quite quickly.
Reply:Originally Posted by GarlicCityI'm using the fixturepoint clamps which have a stud/nut arrangement to hold them in place.  In the video above, I think they are using the buildpro clamps on the 1/4" thick top.
Reply:Hey all Dave here. I'm the owner and designer of the CertiFlat line of tables and I'll be happy to answer any questions you toss my way. GarlicCity we take care of our customers. Put your table on CL and ask $50 more than you paid us for it, it will sell trust me we sell them assembled locally on CL daily. If it doesn't you hit me up and I tighten you right up on a fabBlock if you want. As far as the tools biting in. They actually do bit in better in out tables than the thicker ones. If you think about it, when the 'peg' cants over in the hole; the thinner the material the more edge is actually can grab. We've never heard of an egg shaping issue with any table we know of that's been used correctly and not abused. We could always build you a thicker top too if that's truly a concern. Plus if you buy one of our tables and do wear out the holes, we can just send you a replacement top. Just lay it over the old one, pin it up with 5/8 shoulder bolts and tack it on. Also I think it's important that I say here we do not compare apples to apples with a BuildPro or Bluco table and we're not trying to. What we are trying to do is put high tech, accurate modular systems in the hands of the everyman and small shop that simply cannot spend 5K on a table but can benefit from the functionality. Please to keep in mind that they won't build you ANY size table you need with no design charges, we will. Just this week we did a custom rotating 4'X27', a 6'X12' set up for chassis, and a 4-1/2'X8" welding 'shelf'.  We've been at this a while guys,but just recently brought our tables to the public. We've got modular tab and slot tooling in literally thousands of shops across the world. If you ride an ATV that was sold in this country in the last ten years, our tooling built parts of it. Our goal in bringing this to the public was to provide a cost effective industrial solution to the budget conscious. The world is evolving, 3D printing and CAD is everywhere. I've built plenty of heavy tables from 1" tops and welded clip angles to them for jigs and then busted them off and ground the tacks-nothin wrong with that. But there's also nothing wrong with using these new fangled laserin' machines to do something different. With all of that said, no matter what you decide to do for a table; just go weld something. Keep Building.Please let me know how we can help take any of your projects to the next level. Customer service is our goal and I CAN promise you won't find better. -Dave
Reply:@ TabandSlot - we recently talked on the phone re your current CO2 laser capabilities.  When you acquire your new Amada, would you be able to produce a 38" x 78" x 5/8" fixture table with 5/8" dia holes @ 2" OC......including all all four 'vertical' surfaces along the table's perimeter a la a Demmeler table?Currently in design mode and the reqt's phase for a modular table. Interested in exploring options.  Please advise if you plan to offer tab n slot setups with tops thicker than 3/16".Mahalo."Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:@ GarlicCity - the 3D table from CertiFlat looks nice.  Did you assemble with all-thread and fasteners a la the vid?  Maintained factory flatness post-weld?  Have you built any projects with the table?"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Hey all.  I'm new to the forum but have been lurking around for quite sometime.  I know this thread is several months old but I thought I would share my experience with the Certiflat FabBlock table I recently built.  Mine is a 4'x4' model and is unbelievably heavy duty and extremely flat.  I have more pics if anyone is interested.
Reply:Originally Posted by ManoKai@ GarlicCity - the 3D table from CertiFlat looks nice.  Did you assemble with all-thread and fasteners a la the vid?  Maintained factory flatness post-weld?  Have you built any projects with the table?
Reply:Originally Posted by ManoKai@ GarlicCity - the 3D table from CertiFlat looks nice.  Did you assemble with all-thread and fasteners a la the vid?  Maintained factory flatness post-weld?  Have you built any projects with the table?
Reply:Here is Jody constructing a welding cart using the Fixturepoint table which is very similar to the Certiflat table (not the Fab Block table).  He is using the inserta clamps that I'm using. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------HTP Invertig 131 DC/HFMiller Gold Star with Hobart wire feed (in storage right now).INE Skyline 33 Plasma CutterHammerChiselsome screwdrivers, etc.
Reply:I finally picked up a 2x4 table during their sale and started tacking it together.. A mig would definitely be easier,  but tig is working fine.. This post edited by the NSA
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Reply:I have one of my 30x30 fab blocks clamped up right now. It has been a PITA to get flat. The top is concave/convex and I tried to put the convex on top to clamp the center. It wasn't working, so I flipped the top so that the edges would need clamped to make it flat. Building and checking it from the bottom did not work. It would not go flat. I wonder if the height of the supports is off a tad. Since I will be building on the top of the table, I flipped it and used a straight edge/level on the top as I adjusted the all thread that clamps the top and bottom together, squeezing the center supports. As of right now, parts of it are dead nuts on, but there is part that is at 15 thousandths and one section at 17-18 thousandths.It is pretty close, but I have not tack welded any of it yet. Hopefully, I will be able to maintain the tolerance or improve it as I tack. It doesn't have to be perfect, but I like perfect and want to make sure that when I butt two of these up together, that the entire thing is relatively flat.It has taken some time to get this table adjusted, but it isn't really hard to do. Hopefully the second one will go quicker. I did machine a square hole into the bottom two corners for each block, so that my table legs can start out just under the top plate. This will allow the legs to adjusted up or down by around 17 inches to level the table and be able to set the height for various types of work.Miller 330abpMiller 211 inverter, M150 spool gunMiller 135Miller 375 Extreme plasmaCNC plasma table (build in progress)Femi 120abs portable band sawMany other toolsToo little garage spaceNot enough money
Reply:@ GarlicCity - mahalo for the feedback.@ kelvinski - how are you enjoying your 3D FabBlock setup?@ Jimmy_pop - "Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:I am loving the FabBlock table. I have used it for a few small things so far but I am still in the process of acquiring and making tooling for it. I will be making some homemade clamps and will post pictures when they are complete.
Reply:Originally Posted by GarlicCityI saw those too.  It looks pretty nice to me.  Their feedback on that item is good also.  I bought their 2' X 3' table with the "free" casters.  I will post my experience on here when I get it.