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I figured with the number of guys here who are interested in heating and beating metal, that I'd do a thread on home made blacksmithing tools. I've already got quite a few made, so it's just a matter of taking picts or digging up ones from the builds.Today I worked on 2 different ones. 2nd one is still in process, so I'll save that for later. This one is a guillotine tool designed to act like a set hammer. A set hammer allows you to make precise hits, usually up near a shoulder that you don't want to screw up with a misstrike. When I made all the heeled tenons for my forge base, I had the power hammer at the college to help neck down the tenons, or the shop assistant to strike for me. I don't have that luxury at home though. So this takes the place of using a set hammer to start drawing things out and cleaning up some of the tenon after I notch the bar.  2"x2"  1/4" wall tube with 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" solid for the dies. I drilled out the corners, then took the jig saw to the center to remove the majority of the material, Then milled the remainder down after I filed out the weld seem on the inside. I'd had enough filing by hand for the day already... The I just had to knock off the corners some to deal with the radius on the tube, and I milled down the face of 2 sides slightly so I had a bit more play and things didn't bind at all when I moved the upper die, I'll case harden the dies a bit later. Tube is welded to some 3/8" plate cut 3" x 3" and I added a piece of 1" solid to fit the hardie hole on my 130 lb anvil ( new one hadn't shown up yet). .No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Since I just did the guillotine tool, next one makes sense to post is the set hammer and flatter I made last year in class. Also included is the hammer eye drift I made to match the handles I bought so I could do the tools. I did them on the power hammer and screw press at the college, but they can be done el manuel as well. It just takes more effort and a striker is a huge help.The flatter is a lot like the set tool. You hit it with a hammer and use it to flatten out large areas when you don't want a lot of small dents from the hammer, or to remove forging marks from shaping.Tools are made from a chunk of 2 1/2" x 2 1/2" 4140 that I welded to a mild steel handle so I didn't have to play with tongs all the time..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Boat load of tools in this one from last weeks class. I'll take some better picts of a few of the tools later and post them.1st off would be the hot cut hardie and the anvil block to go in the hardie so I have some nice crisp edges to work with. ( I'll post it in use later if I can get someone to take a few picts while I use it).Next would be 2 bending forks. I drew down the 3/4" square to 3/8" to 1/2" roughly and welded on the pins. My all forged attempt was a dismal failure, but I'll keep trying until I get it right at some point. Last week the plan was to have 2 tools to use more than anything else, so when plan A failed, we went to plan B that I could do easily.Center is a slot punch, I'll do better picts later. At the bottom the hammer looking tool is a block used to upset rivet heads. It is simply a hole drilled thru the block the size of the rivet shaft. You insert the hot rivet, then peen over the head of the rivet to shape it. Then drive the rivet out, and cut it to length when you go to use it.The tools with the loop handles are spring swages. The one with the square blocks is to finish form the end of the tenons to 1/2" square. You get the end just slightly over sized, then use the blocks to limit how far down you can forge the final result. The one with the round bar is to neck down the  1 1/2" bar I was using to make my top cut tool that I'll post later when I finish it.Last on either side of the hot cut is 2 monkey tools, one in 1/2" square, and one in 1/2" round. They are designed to slide over the tenon, and be hit to clean up the shoulder of the main bar so things seat properly with no rocking or gaps. I'll post better picts and details on how they were made later after I shoot more pictures..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Excellent work Doug!Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:I didn't think I'd be interested in heating and bending but.... I find I am. I know.... I passed up on taking the anvil my girlfriend's dad offered to give me for free and am now kicking myself in the rear. --Nice blacksmithing tools DSW.... very nice.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Equilibrium, it's never too late to ask if the offer is still open..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Keep posting. These tools are great. I think I'm going to make myself a hex swag... it looks handy.
Reply:Also interested. I'd like to hear more about how you are heat treating them ( tempering, case hardening etc.) and how they stand up under hard use. In another life I worked with an old guy in an autobody shop that made his own tools. With the amount of Chinese crap on the market now, I wish I had paid more attention to the process. Being able to rebuild and replace a broken tool is the next best thing to a lifetime warranty anyway. Nice work.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Nice woke . I'm taking notes!!Real welders know how to penetrate!(Equipment)Whatever can be used to beat my opponent into submission!
Reply:DSW, very nice looking smith tools there.  Lot of work went into them, I know.  You will get a lot of good service out of them and be proud you made them yourself.Equilibrium....NEVER, NEVER, NEVER turn down a free anvil!!! (only if it is some Chinese cr*p, or a cast iron ASO).  Like DSW said, try to get the offer reinstated!!
Reply:Originally Posted by dswequilibrium, it's never too late to ask if the offer is still open.
Reply:Very, very cool - thanks for posting your tools Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Thanks for posting.  When I was about 10 that was still a blacksmith shop in our country town.  I got to pump the billows for the forge. Myself and two or three other guys would fight over who got to do that.   We would work our little behinds off .  The blacksmith was in his 80s then. Somewhere around 1955. I wish I had been old enough to have realized the importance of learning from him.  His shop was packed with tools of every kind that he had accumulated from his father or grandfather.Keep up the posting.   I have an old anvil but no tools to go with it.   Thanks for identifying the tools as I never knew their names.
Reply:Doug, keep this going, always been interested in blacksmith stuff.  Thanks,  Bob
Reply:This is a great thread!I have the parts to build a small propane forge, just not enough time at the moment.An anvil has been on my want list for years...Miller Dynasty 350Miller XMT 304
Reply:I thought a forge just needed coal and a draft? Oh wait...maybe that draft was for me...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:... So i guess i should've taken my uncles old anvil when i was up there. I decided not to at the time cuz it was pretty big and mounted on a large log and we were in my brothers Jeep Grand Cherokee towing a camp trailer... we have to get up there with my truck and grab that from him.... you know, to clear up some of his shop space... i think he had some tools and perhaps a few brake drums to make a forge out of. Kicking myself still, the jeep is a trooper and could've handles an extra 120 or so pounds of tools."I thank God for all the freedoms we've got in this country, I cherish even the right to burn the flag, but I'll tell you what, we've also got the right to bear arms and if you burn my flag I'll shoot you"-Johnny Cash
Reply:Thanks for the photos.  I kist picked up a propane forge for a song and a dance but it needs some tweaking before use.  Now if only anvils were as cheap...Reading up the other day I ran across something that sounded a bit interesting...but I haven't really looked into it yet.  For those amateurs or people who don't need to beat every day, it was mentioned that they had taken some of the dirt cheap harbor freight hammers and modified the faces to make "quick and dirty" specialty smith hammers---regular sledge into a diagonal peen for instance plus a few others.Any thoughts on this?  Is the quality of the chinese heads so bad that you are just asking for trouble to do such a thing?  The ability to make a few usable pounding tools at the chinese kind of cost without going full out on making from scratch might give a good starting point for people who want to experiment.  Of course, making from scratch is good experience and practice so....
Reply:That is pretty good stuff.Mill table might could use a little dusting though!
Reply:I know a number of guys who have "repurposed" hammers by reforging them The issue is when you go to harden them again after forging. You have no idea what steel they are, so hardening and tempering is hit and miss at best. Some just skip that part and leave the hammers in the annealed state. That way they are not too hard, or shatter/crack when quenching. Depends a lot on what you intend to do. Down side to this is if you forge a hard steel like spring steel, H13 or S7, even the hot steel is possibly harder than your hammer and you may change the hammer face as much as you change the steel. This isn't an issue if say you made yourself a leafing hammer to shape leaves, or if you just wanted to try a shape like a diagonal peen or rounding hammer and really don't care if it lasts very long.About 80% of my hammers have come from yard sales / flea markets etc. I've had decent luck finding cross peens ( usually heavier ones but I did find 2 light weight ones), ball peens in various weights and a few "odd" hammers. A friend picked up a really nice worn double chipping hammer he intends to regrind into a straight and cross peen leafing hammer. i was even lucky enough to get a flatter in semi good condition from a friend. A customer of his had given it to him in a box of old tools and he was using it as a small sledge to break block!  I asked him if he'd trade me for my 3 lb sledge and he just gave it to me. Other than the fact they had ground off the corners when they chipped, it's nicer than my hand made one.The only store bought hammer I've gotten so far is a Diamond rounding hammer so I could try one and see how well they work. I switch back and forth between it and my medium weigh cross peen 90% of the time..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Bit of  a repeat, but it fits here. Twisting wrenches.1st one is simply a large tap handle I picked up at a flea market. Down side to it is that it is some what a pain to use with long stock where you have to slide it all the way down, then adjust the wrench. Also since it's "captured" it's not suitable for all twists. It does hold the stock really well. ( sorry for the big pict for some reason not all the reduced ones want to post...)2nd one is an old heavy monkey wrench I again picked up cheap at a yard sale/flea market. I just added a 2nd handle so it's easy to keep the twist straight. The wide jaws work well on this for doing cold twists. They are a bit wide to do some twisting, but I've seen the same thing done with narrower ones as well..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Next one is just another use for an old tool. In this case one of the narrower monkey wrenches. I'm using it as an adjustable bending fork. I couldn't locate my "good" one today. It's been MIA since I started cleaning the shop a few weeks back. The only big difference between this one and that one is I took a grinder with a sanding pad to the inside of the jaws and rounded the square edges so I don't mark hot work. For cold bends like this, the square edges don't matter as much.The key to doing this right is to recognize the offset required so the jaws just clear the vise when you make your bend. I thought I had a few more picts showing this better, but the 2nd one should give you some idea. I've seen guys grind the backs down a bit closer to straight since on hot work you don't need the stiffness you do bending cold. That reduces the offset and lets you be more consistent vs the tapered end where you have to make sure you drop down to the same point or it messes up your offset. This is all 1/4" square, cold. The wrench becomes your lever for doing the bend.There are other ways to use these for bending. I'll do a separate thread on bending with bending forks later on when I have time. In some cases you use two forks at once, some  times with a jig to shape material..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:DSW, those old pipe wrenches work great (bottom photo), particularly for large stock.  They are usually easier to find, too, at flea markets and yard sales than the old monkey wrenches.  You can take them apart, grind down the teeth, then put a gentle curve on the inside of the jaws.  The flat jaws work OK for square stock, but will leave marks on round stock.OOOOOPS!!!!!  I went back and re-read your thread.  You DID grind and shape the jaws...my bad, my apologies.  Need to read closer.Last edited by shortfuse; 09-30-2014 at 10:39 PM.
Reply:Man, I really need to start forging more!Awesome work man. Have you tried the Brazeal style hot cuts? To me, they work better, however I have limited experience. Curious to hear what someone with more experience things of them.
Reply:Never really noticed a difference using one vs one like mine in post 3. I will admit I've had limited time using one though. Rounded shapes like that work really well though on chisels if you are doing long slitting operations. You can ride the edge up while still staying in the groove. I haven't really had a need to do that with  a fixed hot cut so far. I have done something like that when fullering, but I didn't find the straight shape like my hot cut to be too great a hindrance.I will admit I'm still learning and have a lot more to learn. I'm always open to new tools, ideas or better ways to do things..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald ReaganI don't do too much hot cutting either. The brazeal hot cut just felt like I had a little more working space, if that makes any sense.
Reply:Originally Posted by MudmanMan, I really need to start forging more!Awesome work man. Have you tried the Brazeal style hot cuts? To me, they work better, however I have limited experience. Curious to hear what someone with more experience things of them.
Reply:Love all the tools and interesting ways of using existing tools! I find myself using crescent wrenches often like you show.12v battery, jumper cables, and a 6013.I only have a facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply:Originally Posted by shortfuseMudman, I don't know if you are referring to Brian forging a curve on the hot cut edge or not... If so, yes, I have made both and the curved edge is the way to go.  You can roll your work over the curve, hammering as you go and it makes a much nicer cut than the straight-style edge.I cheated and made mine from a discarded mason's chisel.  The steel is high carbon, already heat treated.  I just carefully and slowly ground the straight edge to a curve with a 4 1/2" angle grinder and then polished with a flap disk.  Never let the heat get more than slightly hot to the touch.  Took a couple of hours overall to let the edge cool each time so as not to mess up the heat treatment.  Got lucky too...the handle was a hex cross section, with the 1" width fitting perfectly in my 1" hardy hole.
Reply:Great assortment of hammers and tongs you have there.  Good for anything you might want to make.  I have several of the tongs you have pictured.  Aside from the ones I make, I have an assortment of OCT's and Larry's Quick & Dirty's.  I desperately would like to have one of Brian's hammers, about a 3# rounding hammer...similar to the two on the right in your picture.
Reply:Originally Posted by shortfuseGreat assortment of hammers and tongs you have there.  Good for anything you might want to make.  I have several of the tongs you have pictured.  Aside from the ones I make, I have an assortment of OCT's and Larry's Quick & Dirty's.  I desperately would like to have one of Brian's hammers, about a 3# rounding hammer...similar to the two on the right in your picture.
Reply:Originally Posted by MudmanThanks! I love all my tools. I'd make my own hammers, but don't have any trust worthy people to strike for me. A powerhammer would be nice. After a close call of someone almost slamming my hand with a 15lbs sledge, and another time missing my head (don't know how people can be this uncoordinated), I decided to stick with having them made for me.
Reply:Even if I learned, most people that "might" be able to strike for me just aren't coordinated. I understand what your saying about the weight, but trust me- even if I gave these guys a lighter sledge, it would be the same. Some day though, I will figure it out. Making hammers and other tools is my ultimate goal with Blacksmithing. Uri Hofi has a taught a many classes in the US, a friend in NY took a class from him and really liked it.
Reply:He was here in NY last year I believe. I was tempted to take the class, but I'd already used up too much time to be able to take off to do so..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by whtbaronI thought a forge just needed coal and a draft? Oh wait...maybe that draft was for me...
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumI didn't think I'd be interested in heating and bending but.... I find I am. I know.... I passed up on taking the anvil my girlfriend's dad offered to give me for free and am now kicking myself in the rear. --Nice blacksmithing tools DSW.... very nice.
Reply:Just two photos of a blacksmith shop used long ago and some tools of the trade I found to be beautiful. I've always been fascinated by the tools. --I believe this was part of re-enactment type village of historical residences down in Louisiana. Sorry about the excessive flash in the 1st photo, the actual area was roped off and it wasn't possible to get in close for better photos. --MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Cool set up! My ultimate goal would be to have a shop similar to that.... I have long way to go!Real welders know how to penetrate!(Equipment)Whatever can be used to beat my opponent into submission!
Reply:Well, I'm going to call this a forging tool even though I didn't have an operating forge to make it. Started out with some 1" square John Deere drive shaft off some old implement so it's better steel than your garden variety black iron. I've bumped the Hardy in my anvil out to just under 1" so it was ground to fit, and a piece of square tubing and a washer welded on to spread the shock load. It might be cheating, but it's a start...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Now it needs some working character, get it dirty for Pete's sake!City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Yea...haven't had much time for playing around lately. I got rained out of the field tonite or you wouldn't have got the pic either. Don't worry, my tools get dirty.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:baron, that would qualify as a hot cut hardy, albeit a bit tall.  Might wobble on you cutting thick steel.  Good application of scrap iron.  No need to heat treat it; it's plenty hard to cut hot steel with and hot steel would remove any tempering anyway.I would offer one suggestion:  get some paint remover and take off the paint on your working surfaces; the horn and table.  The face is fine (good looking anvil, BTW).  You'll have a mess of sticky, burnt paint when you try to work your hot stock on them.
Reply:I'd agree it look good but a bit tall. You can always cut it down if you find it awkward to use at that height..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:yea...version one is seldom the final cut. No wobble in the anvil, it's a tight fit... but my upright rail anvil is still in the works with a full 1" hardy on the side, and that one is a little looser. Got a couple more chunks of scrap iron I'm eyeing up the next time it rains... I keep thinking back to that guillotine on page 1 and how it could be adapted to a cable crimping tool.Last edited by whtbaron; 05-02-2015 at 01:24 AM.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Originally Posted by richeyThanks for posting.  When I was about 10 that was still a blacksmith shop in our country town.  I got to pump the billows for the forge. Myself and two or three other guys would fight over who got to do that.   We would work our little behinds off .  The blacksmith was in his 80s then. Somewhere around 1955. I wish I had been old enough to have realized the importance of learning from him.  His shop was packed with tools of every kind that he had accumulated from his father or grandfather.Keep up the posting.   I have an old anvil but no tools to go with it.   Thanks for identifying the tools as I never knew their names.
Reply:My dream is also to make tools. I did make my hardy hot cut out of a broken tractor spindle.  It took a lot of work to get a straight edge. I have another spindle I will let the edge curve on the next one. I also have a 1 3/4" shaft from the steering box on an old tractor. It has a 3" keyway on one end and a threaded hole on the other. I can get 13" of clear shaft to work with. I'm hoping it will become a hammer some day. I'm open to other ideas. I sure want to learn more about steel hardness and what works for what. I have yet to use a good rounding hammer. Can't wait to try one.
Reply:Not quite finished this, but figured I'd go ahead and post it up anyways. Worked on the hardy block I've been meaning to build. It's a chunk of 4x4 square tube 3/16" wall on a piece of 6" square plate I picked up from the tech school last year that I thought would make a good base for this. Top of the block is a piece of 3/4" plate I cut to match the square tube and then drilled out and filed to almost a 1" square hardy hole to match my smaller anvil. I then heated the block and tried to drift it out the rest of the way to 1". I probably could have left it a bit smaller before I drifted as once hot, the plate expanded to the point that the drift would drop thru. I had to wait until it was almost back to a black heat before it shrank enough the drift had any resistance.I still have to bevel the tube and weld it to the top plate, and drill the lower plate for mounting holes and a center hole in the base so if something gets stuck, you can drive it out from the back. I haven't decided if I'll grind the corners of the top plate to match the rounded corners on the tube, or leave them square.For those wanting to make their own hardy tools, but are afraid sledging on their anvil might break the heel, or for those with RR track anvils with no hardy hole, this is an easy solution. I'll probably mount this on it's own stump and use it to hold hardy tooling like my hot cut that I want handy, but that I don't want to leave in the anvil..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:That's a nice job fabbing up that hardy block.  As you said, that should really appeal to the folks with anvils without hardy holes.  Portable too.  I bet it was fun drilling out and... particularly filing the hole!  That's some thick steel.
Reply:That's pretty sweet, I like it. I was thinking along a similar train of thought, but maybe I'm not looking at a thick enough piece of metal. I was going to use a railroad fishplate with some 1" inside dia. sq tubing welded below it for stability, with the whole thing set into an oak stump... similar idea to the stake plate but made for Hardy tools. I cursed taking my anvil's Hardy from 7/8 out to 1"...can't imagine making that one was much fun.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:That would work as well if you don't have any heavy plate.  You may need some solid vertical blocking around the hole though. I've seen it done that way as well. Usually something like 4 pieces of 1" solid wrapped around a 1" bar with a bit of thin sheet as a spacer to help with shrinkage when you weld up the bars into a cross shape below the plate.Originally I was just going to drill the center to 7/8" or 1" depending on the biggest bit I had and drift the round hole square by heating it in my forge and sledging the drift thru it. When I put in the vise on my drill press, I decided to start by drilling out the corners 1st, and just went on drilling from there until I had most of the material removed. Then I simply took a nice sharp course double cut file to it. I probably could have just finished the work with the file if I really wanted to vs drifting it because I was pretty close at the end. I may try to drift the next one to size. I have the parts to make a 2nd one and I may make one to match the 1 1/4" hardy on my bigger anvil, though I do have a swage block now I could work on if I wanted to make up more hardy tools for that. I may just drift a 2nd 1" one just to show it can be done at some point, we'll see..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan