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ive been using my 210mp for about 6 months now. got a project coming up where dual shield might be beneficial. on 110v, can the maching run high enough for .035 dual shield(blue demon makes some, ive had good luck with their wire)on a side note, would 21v(i believe the max on 110v) be enough for spray with .030 or .023 hard wire? i know running a different gas mix will help
Reply:I use dual shield for over 30 years Works great with CO2 The only size I use E71T-1 fox X-raying in 60lb coilsYou can find E71T-1 in 0.030 in 2lb 10lb rollsDave Originally Posted by nhyrumive been using my 210mp for about 6 months now. got a project coming up where dual shield might be beneficial. on 110v, can the maching run high enough for .035 dual shield(blue demon makes some, ive had good luck with their wire)on a side note, would 21v(i believe the max on 110v) be enough for spray with .030 or .023 hard wire? i know running a different gas mix will help
Reply:on 110v, can the maching run high enough for .035 dual shield
Reply:Just for reference, here is the operating procedures chart for Lincoln 71M 0.035 wire.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:my thinking is, with .030 i might be able to barely make it on dual shield.ive looked into running 220 out to the welder, but for how often i would use it, its really not practical. just the wire is about 500 bucks
Reply:Originally Posted by smithdoorI use dual shield for over 30 years Works great with CO2 The only size I use E71T-1 fox X-raying in 60lb coilsYou can find E71T-1 in 0.030 in 2lb 10lb rollsDave
Reply:I don't believe there is any such thing as 0.030 dual shield wire. Smallest I have ever found was 0.035. Do yourself a favor and invest in the 240v circuit. The most you will realistically weld with 120v power is up to 1/8th inch. if you really need spray transfer and/or dual shield for your project, you need 240 volts. Have you thought of running your welder off of a 240 volt generator?Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961I don't believe there is any such thing as 0.030 dual shield wire. Smallest I have ever found was 0.035. Do yourself a favor and invest in the 240v circuit. The most you will realistically weld with 120v power is up to 1/8th inch. if you really need spray transfer and/or dual shield for your project, you need 240 volts. Have you thought of running your welder off of a 240 volt generator?
Reply:But I'm not sure which generators would have not only the correct plug, but enough juice
Reply:Also I checked, and the only 030 blue demon stuff I could find was e71T-11 which is not dual shield. It is straight self shielded (gasless) flux core. Are you sure they make a 030 dual shield?Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961Plugs can be changed or you can easily build a pigtail adapter with parts from Home Depot for not a lot of money. As for generators, I am guessing a bit but I would think an 8KW unit will run it at full power no sweat. the 210MVP draws nearly 5KW at max output but generators are funny and you have to allow for an initial surge of current draw. A quick internet search seems to indicate most people having luck with a 7-8KW genny.But the more I think about it the more I suspect you have over estimated the cost of installing a 240 volt welder circuit. Check out the owner's manual for your welder. It only requires 14 gauge wire to feed it. You can buy 100 feet of 14/2 romex (which is all this welder needs) for $35. Even if you upgraded to 12/2, it is still only $55. I have no idea how you arrived at $500. Are you needing a sub panel or something?
Reply:I stand corrected. It was late last night when I was looking at wire Originally Posted by Louie1961Also I checked, and the only 030 blue demon stuff I could find was e71T-11 which is not dual shield. It is straight self shielded (gasless) flux core. Are you sure they make a 030 dual shield?
Reply:Do you have a dryer outlet? Might be worth making or buying 240v extension cord. You don't need anything larger than 12 gauge conductors even at 100 feet.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:It would need to be done professionally, talking to my uncle who owns the house. I've talked to a few electricians, they've all recommended 8/2.
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961Do you have a dryer outlet? Might be worth making or buying 240v extension cord. You don't need anything larger than 12 gauge conductors even at 100 feet.
Reply:Romex would work, but it is going to be a bitch to roll up and store. I would go with flexible SOOW cord if you can. Even if you buy a 120 volt cord and swap out the ends. Just be sure you have 12 gauge, 2 hots and a ground. You don't need a neutral for your welder, and I just wouldn't connect a conductor to that prong of the plug, if your dryer is a 4 prong type.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:So I found a place that I can buy wire by the foot. 12-2 sjoow 300v ul/csa is $0.60 a foot. Is that the wire I'd want? 10-2 is 0.93/foot. It says it only has two conductors, black and white. I assume there's a ground? I also think I may make a splitter, that way I don't have to move the drier every time, I'll just not use the dryer while the welder is on and vice versa. How would I go about making a splitter? Just basically have two sets of wire plugged into the plug that will go into the wall? I know that adds another outlet and a chunk of different wire. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Reply:How far are from your meterIf would run a I would use 6-3 w/groundThis size would run ever needDave Originally Posted by nhyrummy thinking is, with .030 i might be able to barely make it on dual shield.ive looked into running 220 out to the welder, but for how often i would use it, its really not practical. just the wire is about 500 bucks
Reply:Originally Posted by smithdoorHow far are from your meterIf would run a I would use 6-3 w/groundThis size would run ever needDave
Reply:Dryer plug works goodIf you do plan on run try 1 1/2" PVC it needs to 24" depth. Note the size is so you pull the wire. To small it is hard to pull.Dave Originally Posted by nhyrumMeter meaning the breaker box? Or the actual meter? Or the pole? Or the green box thingy in my neighbors yard? My breaker box is outside and the meter the power company reads is right next to it. If I were to run permanent line, it's about 75 feet from the box to the shed. But again, if 220 is run, It must be personally done. Now, an extension cord plugged into where the dryer plugs into, that I can do Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961Romex would work, but it is going to be a bitch to roll up and store. I would go with flexible SOOW cord if you can. Even if you buy a 120 volt cord and swap out the ends. Just be sure you have 12 gauge, 2 hots and a ground. You don't need a neutral for your welder, and I just wouldn't connect a conductor to that prong of the plug, if your dryer is a 4 prong type.
Reply:My dryer is the pre 90's nema 10-30 three prong. I'm not terribly familiar with these plugs, but isn't one a 110v leg?
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961I don't think so. it should be two hots and a ground.
Reply:white is neutral. You don't want to run a neutral to your welder. Ground should be green or bare copper. granted they are bonded together in the main panel, but still, you don't want a neutral.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Got the extension cord wired up, and plugged it into the wall. Two good things happened. One, I didn't die, and two, It didn't catch fire. I didn't have my volt meter, so I could check voltages across each leg before I plugged in my machine and fried itSent from my SM-G930V using TapatalkOriginally Posted by Louie1961white is neutral. You don't want to run a neutral to your welder. Ground should be green or bare copper. granted they are bonded together in the main panel, but still, you don't want a neutral.
Reply:Did a little more digging. The difference between ground and neutral is neutral is meant to carry voltage almost all the time and ground is only in emergency. With an inverter machine, like mine is, it's not as dangerous. A short in both legs wouldn't trip any breakers with a neutral. With an inverter machine that would trip the internal breaker of the machineSent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Reply:Have you tried actually welding with that wire ? I think you'll like how well it runs on 115V. I often use blue demon .035" 71m on 115 volt input on my 210mp. Sometime I even think the 71m makes less smoke than the hard wire in certain situations. I've found that my machine runs most wires better than most sticks. Use a good brand 12 ga extension cord, and you can easily weld up to 3/16" steel. Of course, You will be limited to what the outlet you plug into can provide(many won't provide the amps/volts for various reasons,wiring, transformer, other loads, etc). Experiment a little on 120v inputs a little bit, I think you'll be surprised by what the 210 mp can do even on a 15A 120v line. If you want to run .045" 71m , I know it will on 240v , but I couldnt quite find a set-up to make it work for me. It was easier to just put the .035" wire in , change the tip, and weld away. A 208/230/240v outlet would allow you to do more, but sometimes its not worth the bother(but not always). What thickness steel are you welding ?Sorry just read back to the first post, Yes having a 200v line will make you life a lot better. My first welder was a lincoln AC225, and I powered it from my dryer outlet. Used a 50 ft S-cord found in the scrap pile when a company scrapped a heat tunnel. I had to add plugs, but I saved quite a bit of money (8/3 SO cord is not cheap). Good luck and be safe. These settings were on 115v 20A outlet 50 foot 12ga extension Your mileage may vary....Last edited by albrightree; 08-17-2018 at 10:42 AM.Reason: original questionAirco 250 ac/dc Heliwelder Square waveMiller Synchrowave 180 sdMiller Econo Twin HFLincoln 210 MPDayton 225 ac/dcVictor torchesSnap-On YA-212Lotos Cut60D
Reply:Originally Posted by albrightreeHave you tried actually welding with it? I often use blue demon .035" 71m on 115 volt input on my 210mp. Sometime I even think the 71m makes less smoke than the hard wire in certain situations. I've found that my machine runs most wires better than most sticks. Use a good brand 12 ga extension cord, and you can easily weld up to 3/16" steel. Of course, You will be limited to what the outlet you plug into can provide(many won't provide the amps/volts for various reasons,wiring, transformer, other loads, etc). Experiment a little on 120v inputs a little bit, I think you'll be surprised by what the 210 mp can do even on a 15A 120v line. If you want to run .045" 71m , I know it will on 240v , but I couldnt quite find a set-up to make it work for me. It was easier to just put the .035" wire in , change the tip, and weld away. a 208/230/240v outlet would allow you to do more, but sometimes its not worth the bother(but not always). What thickness steel are you welding ?
Reply:Attachment 1690298Attachment 1690299These settings were on 115v 20A outlet 50 foot 12ga extension, .030" solid wire. Settings were similar for 71m, made over 120amps. Your mileage may vary....Airco 250 ac/dc Heliwelder Square waveMiller Synchrowave 180 sdMiller Econo Twin HFLincoln 210 MPDayton 225 ac/dcVictor torchesSnap-On YA-212Lotos Cut60D
Reply:I got my extension cord finished up. The female 6-50 plug I got was a wall plug that didn't come with a box, so today I put it in an outdoor box, and tested the voltage. 240 ish across the main legs and 120ish between each leg and the ground. Going to try it out with my 1/8 stick electrodes, 6010,7018 and 11018, plus my e80s-d2. I've found it to run better than 70s-6 or -2 in this machine on 120v. I'm going to pick up a 10lb spool of outershield 71M. I've been using the 11018 for building up mild steel for shooting targets, and the 71M has a better v notch rating, so I assume that means it will stand up better, no? Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Reply:In theory it should hold up better, but I think you need real data. You should make some samples, and test them , and post some pictures of the results. I personally haven't tried the e80s-d2 on my 210mp, have been real happy with the Lincoln, Hobart, and blue demon 70s-6 wires. I haven't noticed a huge difference in the different solid wires I've used, even a couple of spools of harbor fright people gave to me. The biggest difference I've notice on solid wires, was how long the have been exposed to weather. Some of my wires are getting a little flash rust in the garage, we've had weeks of rain, and high humidity this year. Stuff in the shop stays fine(above ground on concrete, next to space with a/c). Let us know how you like stick welding with it. Most types of stick will run without changing the start or dig settings, but its there if you need it.Good luck.Airco 250 ac/dc Heliwelder Square waveMiller Synchrowave 180 sdMiller Econo Twin HFLincoln 210 MPDayton 225 ac/dcVictor torchesSnap-On YA-212Lotos Cut60D
Reply:Originally Posted by albrightreeIn theory it should hold up better, but I think you need real data. You should make some samples, and test them , and post some pictures of the results. I personally haven't tried the e80s-d2 on my 210mp, have been real happy with the Lincoln, Hobart, and blue demon 70s-6 wires. I haven't noticed a huge difference in the different solid wires I've used, even a couple of spools of harbor fright people gave to me. The biggest difference I've notice on solid wires, was how long the have been exposed to weather. Some of my wires are getting a little flash rust in the garage, we've had weeks of rain, and high humidity this year. Stuff in the shop stays fine(above ground on concrete, next to space with a/c). Let us know how you like stick welding with it. Most types of stick will run without changing the start or dig settings, but its there if you need it.Good luck.
Reply:Used some 11018(rusty *** pic) and 309L. The 11018 isn't as domed as it looks, but it could use a little crank up. The slag was a bitch to chip off. I ran the 11018 over one of my mig beads as I was fighting a bad contact tip and it was binding up the wire. And it didn't matter how much tension I put, I couldn't get it to push through. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Reply:Also, It looks like Lincoln stopped making the outershield 71m like 10 years ago. Any recommendations on a wire I can run with c25 at a maximum of 25 volts? Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Reply:no, they still make it. This came up in a recent post because someone was looking for a place to buy the 11 pound spools of it weldingsupply.com is about the only place I can find that sells the small spools http://weldingsupply.com/cgi-bin/spi...|1|340 |
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