Can all DC stick welders run the 6010 rods? Or do they need to have a specific OCV?Or does that not matter? What I think I mean to say is cellulose rods need a higher voltage to get them going, is that correct?If so, just browsing through ebay can any IGBT stick weld a 6010 rod? The everlast units I believe you have to change the cable to another port. What does this do? Just have a higher voltage?
Reply:Changing to a higher voltage causes an increased current flow.To use an analogy; Voltage also known as Electro Motive Force, (EMF) is equivilant to pressure.Increasing pressure will cause more electrons, current, to flow through a given resistance.I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:Ignore the IGBT hand grenades on Ebay and get a quality machine.Ignore small inverters unless they say Lincoln or Miller on the side AND have good reviews from owners here, and are 150 amps minimum.If budget matters, get a used transformer machine that says Lincoln or Miller or Hobart on the side. I'd get that first anyway Low OCV svcks. It's extremely limiting. Low amps are limiting. Power is good. For example, I use my Thermal Arc 95S for very light work, but low OCV means no 6010 and it stinks on 7018 compared to serious machines. I didn't buy it for that (and it's not bad with 308 stainless stick), but I have plenty of other machines. I didn't expect it to have any nuts, and it doesn't. It IS portable and useful, but not a good primary machine.Last edited by farmall; 06-18-2011 at 10:57 AM.
Reply:I recommend 6011 and a $100 or so transformer machine off of craigslist, like an AC225, or if you're lucky, a miller thunderbolt or the like. These machines are rock solid and simple, and as long as its been well taken care of, should last you for as long as you need it.[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:without 80 volts of ocv 1/8" 6010 wont run that well...just an observation.. i think slowhand can teach a course on this...
Reply:I do not have one, but posters report back that that even the Miller Maxstar 150 inverter will not run 6010 worth a hoot and must use 6011 instead.For a cheap welder, hard to beat a used Lincoln AC-225, or a Miller Thunderbolt for $150 or less. Of course you will be limited to 6011 if the welder is AC only. But there are DC versions of the Lincoln and Miller that might run some some 6010 but they will cost a little more. Regardless, for backyard work where code does not apply then 6011 is accepted as performing real close to 6010 without the hassles. Almost any welding power source of decent size will run 6011 whether it is AC or DC.
Reply:Originally Posted by nadogailChanging to a higher voltage causes an increased current flow.To use an analogy; Voltage also known as Electro Motive Force, (EMF) is equivilant to pressure.Increasing pressure will cause more electrons, current, to flow through a given resistance.
Reply:By rankrank1;I do not have one, but posters report back that that even the Miller Maxstar 150 inverter will not run 6010 worth a hoot and must use 6011 instead.
Reply:If you want to stay with an inverter with a established name I think Thermal Arc has one with adj. arc force at around $1350. Found this site.http://store.weldersource.com/thermalarc201ts.htmlLast edited by Jay O; 06-18-2011 at 04:44 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadwithout 80 volts of ocv 1/8" 6010 wont run that well...just an observation.. i think slowhand can teach a course on this...
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oes a shorthood or a Redface fall into the Original Poster's category "Cheap Stick Welder"?I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadwithout 80 volts of ocv 1/8" 6010 wont run that well...just an observation.. i think slowhand can teach a course on this...
Reply:Originally Posted by Bob the WelderBy rankrank1; Alas, tis true. The one thing a Maxstar 150 cannot do well!
Reply:Originally Posted by nadogailDoes a shorthood or a Redface fall into the Original Poster's category "Cheap Stick Welder"?
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPWell I paid $200.00 for this one is that a cheap enough stick welder for you?
Reply:I paid $250 for this one...Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:I paid $250. for this one. Attached ImagesDont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPWell I paid $200.00 for this one is that a cheap enough stick welder for you?
Reply:Nice, I am going to look at an Idealarc 250 for $125 in the morning, just what I need another machineDisclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Jeeze Tozzi!! How the heck do you find things like that, and your engine drive so cheap?[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Originally Posted by Lansewhats a running and welding sa200 going for these days?
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPAs in real estate, location, location, location. In the mid west hold onto your hat. Or should I say wallet!Thanks!
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseWell, $3100 gets you a brand new hobart elite that needs no wrenching or restoring. lol. But there has to be some advantage to the SAs...
Reply:CEP,Were those two welders you posted in their current condition when you paid $200.00 and $250.00 OR did you refurbish them to their current conditions?
Reply:Originally Posted by joedirt1966CEP,Were those two welders you posted in their current condition when you paid $200.00 and $250.00 OR did you refurbish them to their current conditions?Nice, I am going to look at an Idealarc 250 for $125 in the morning, just what I need another machine
Reply:I unstuck the motor, but a $25 head gasket in it, oil change, and paint, cost me under $100 to get it workable.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Originally Posted by TozziWeldingI unstuck the motor, but a $25 head gasket in it, oil change, and paint, cost me under $100 to get it workable.
Reply:Get a cheap lincoln inverter if a miller cant do the job. Thats what I did. No blue paint around here. Blue paint gives me the willies. Yuk. Harold
Reply:But there has to be some advantage to the SAs...
Reply:For a cheap stick welder that will run 1/8" rod at 100% duty cycle all day long I now like the IdealArc 250/250. They look like a Lincoln tombstone only about twice as big. Around here Lincoln tombstone AC/DCs go for $350, aluminum wound, with a 20% duty cycle. The IdealArc also has DC capability, copper wound, with a 100% duty cycle for 1/8" rod, and they go for about $150. Go figger.
Reply:Originally Posted by metalmagpieFor a cheap stick welder that will run 1/8" rod at 100% duty cycle all day long I now like the IdealArc 250/250. They look like a Lincoln tombstone only about twice as big. Around here Lincoln tombstone AC/DCs go for $350, aluminum wound, with a 20% duty cycle. The IdealArc also has DC capability, copper wound, with a 100% duty cycle for 1/8" rod, and they go for about $150. Go figger.
Reply:I didn't pay much for this one... but I put a lot of sweat equity in it to get it looking like this. Attached ImagesLincoln Idealarc 250 (circa 1962)Lincoln Weldpak 155 w/Mig KitLincoln Squarewave TIG 175
Reply:Going back to what the original post was asking... I am looking right now for a 1ph 220v inverter that can actually run 2mm 6010 rods.The one I have now is not an el-cheapo brand and has an open circuit voltage of 95v 160amps max and 110amps 60% duty cycle. Ok, is not a huge inverter... but it has been working flawlesly untill I tried 6010 rods. I asked the manufacturer about that and told me I was never going to be able to run them at all. And suggested me to get a different model from them. Top of their line. I would like to try it before paying so much for it (855) but is going to be hard at best.Mikel
Reply:http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/index.php is a good place to ask when sourcing gear outside the US.Around here Lincoln tombstone AC/DCs go for $350, aluminum wound, with a 20% duty cycle. The IdealArc also has DC capability, copper wound, with a 100% duty cycle for 1/8" rod, and they go for about $150. Go figger.
Reply:Mikel,On post #9 I provided a link for the Thermal Arc 201. I have a TA185 and it runs 6010 pretty good but I really can't say how the TA201 runs since it a new model, but I will say if I need a inverter I would have no problem ordering this one. I've been using my own little inverter at work and come Monday I'm going to see if the office will order this one for me.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmallMoving the heavier Idealarc is as easy as making a cart...
Reply:Inverter and 6010.... Kinda like Oil and Water....CL for a AC225, some 6011 and have at it...Lincoln Power MIG 210 MP ( boat anchor )Lincoln Weld-Pac 100 HDHobart IronMan 230Cutmaster 42Jackson NexGenSumner Ultra ClampsDWM120
Reply:Originally Posted by MadMax31Inverter and 6010.... Kinda like Oil and Water.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI have three inverters, the Dynasty is the weakest with 6010. The other two are great.
Reply:Originally Posted by MadMax31Whatcha got that run 6010? Ill tell my shop to trade in this Maxstar 150's!!!
