The old girl is giving her all, but she is puking oil! Which brand is better, Quincy, or Champion? How about Jenny? Don't want to get into any new wiring, compressor I have now runs on a 40-amp breaker. It is a Ingersoll Rand 5-HP, two stage, vertical 80-gallon tank. Would like to go up to 7 or 7 1/2-HP. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/...ssor/p857.htmlhttp://www.globalindustrial.com/p/pn...0-gal-230v-1phDont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Carl,I would call these guys, and see if you could pick this up yourself to maybe save some cash... Generally one of the best places I found in the PNW.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHAMPION-VRV...item4171ca89daEsab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Not worth a rebuild?
Reply:ir, quincy and champion all good gear. all easily rebuildable by compressor shops. (rebuilt more frequently than replaced). usually just needs a honing, new rings, bearings and valve cleanup. cranks and bores are usually no problem-(no pounding like you get with an engine) with proper rebuild you will get about the same life as if you replaced with new compressor.
Reply:i doubt if i will ever buy another reciprocating compressor its rotary or nothingVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:I agree with the rebuild. I would likely just hone and rering it myself. They don't get as bad a ring ridge as car engines, and are relatively easy to work on. Post up a pump model number. Kits for the more common ones can be found on EPay.
Reply:I don't use a big compressor very often now days. I got around 25-years out of this one. Not too bad. Hopefully the next one will out live me. Not worth a rebuild to me with the tank being so old.Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Other option, since you already have a tank and motor is to just buy a new pump. You also need to figure out how much air you need in CFM. And also pressure. Northern Tool has similar compressors in the same brands for a little better price. Also, Keep an eye on Cragslist. You can regularly find very expensive compressors for cheap. A lot of times they are 3 phase, and just need to be converted with a new motor. It is rare tosee a compressor sell for over $500 on CL. I sold a 5HP 3 phase 60 gallon for $175 because I just didn't need it.
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ang CEP, I wish you were closer... I'd gladly buy your old tank off you for a BBQ build [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:If you are looking to save a little money, I just installed a harbor freight compressor head for $200 taxed in. It is a twin cylinder single stage compressor. Max psi is 150 but it runs quiet and builds fast. I have not had it long enough to speak longevity. Just a thought.Bruce DeLaetHeavy Equipment Mechanic and Welder1948 SA-200 short hood1949 LincWelder 1801963 SA-200 red faceMiller S-32-P
Reply:CEP this vendor has parts and pumps if you go that routehttp://www.aircompressorpartsonline.com/index.phpOther than that, my son has been doing industrial compressor maintenance and repair over 2 years now, he says the old IR's were great but the new stuff is ****, alot of foreign parts. Quincy and Champion the ones to go with now. Little problem with these units when maintained. He leans toward the Quincy, I like the Champion as it is still made in good old USA. Stay away from Atlas Copco and whatever you do don't buy a HF piece of ****. In addition, the big box store compressors don't have head unloaders like the higher end compressors do, they have pilot valves, with the head unloaders the compressor is able to constant run with out load, it helps vs. the start and stop of the cheaper models. Mine are set up on a switch to either constant run, or start stop.Last edited by kolot; 04-14-2013 at 09:36 PM."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251 Syncrowave 300 30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200 1 short hood SA250 SAM 400
Reply:Originally Posted by kolotwhatever you do don't buy a HF piece of ****.
Reply:I have a Champion. Champion and Quincy, in my opinion, are the two top manufacturers. Back in I think 2004, I went to the local Champion dealer who my father has dealt with forever. The one worker "builds" units on the side. That's why my receiver isn't painted, just primered. I have a Baldor 5hp and a Champion pump, delivered and set in place $1000.00 But I kick myself ever since, for not getting the 7.5hp. I ALWAYS lose, when I try to save a buck!"Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:If you are 50, don't get a Quincy or Champion or Speedaire because they all will outlive you.Get an IR, it won't.I have a 25 year old Quincy QP that I run the bags off of and other than an ocassional reed valve decarboning and a yearly oil change (I use Mobil Rarus VG reciprocating compressor oil) and cleaning the air filter (I replaced the dry paper element with a K&N years ago), I do nothing but run it. Has a Century 220/1 with a real wound armature.Will be in my estate sale btw.
Reply:Just ordered that Champion compressor. Should be here beginning of next week. Have to pull new #6 wire and upgrade to a 60-amp breaker.Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPJust ordered that Champion compressor. Should be here beginning of next week. Have to pull new #6 wire and upgrade to a 60-amp breaker.
Reply:CEP, which one did you buy, the ebay or one of the two you had mentioned? Was it the 5hp or 7.5hp? Either way, you can't go wrong with a Champion, congrats! Don't forget to post up pics.Did you get any accessories, like an auto drain or anything?"Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Bought this one, it comes with auto drain. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281081973210...84.m1438.l2649Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:I bought mine in person from them, Really a good place to get deals on used air-driers, etc..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Nice looking compressor.Bruce DeLaetHeavy Equipment Mechanic and Welder1948 SA-200 short hood1949 LincWelder 1801963 SA-200 red faceMiller S-32-P
Reply:A sompressor is a tool, consequently, appearance means nothing. Apperaance is only important when it pertains to a spouse or girlfriend and even then, actions speak louder than words.Most compressors are relegated to a dusty, dirty corner of the shop and get abused and neglected but are expected to perform anyway, but then, thats human nature. Why take care of it when it works. Just cry when it don't.
Reply:I have my compressor and phase converter in an 8' x 8' room attached to the outside of the shop.Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Biggest pump I've ever seen run by a 7.5HP motor. Only two things I don't like about it. 1. Damn, that's expensive. 2. Reed valves rather than disk. I'm curious what the CFM on that would be if you put a 10hp motor and spun the pump up to around 800 RPM. I know that would be against the whole purpose of using an oversized pump. But heck it would make me curious just because. At those RPMs and Champion's build quality I think your great grandkids are going to be trying to figure out what to do with that compressor.
Reply:that's a 15HP pump with the pump RPMs cut in half useing that tiny 7.5hp motor.......it would be well over 40CFM with the 15HP motor thermal arc 252i - millermatic 350P - miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs - Hypertherm 1250 G3
Reply:I'm also shopping for a quality, American made air compressor to run my plasma, sand blasting cabinet, and various air tools. These are the two companies I've researched. Curious if anyone here has any feedback on them?Eaton:http://www.eatoncompressor.com/page/page/504747.htmCAS:http://www.compressed-air-systems.com/Thanks!GarLincoln Electric, Power MIG 256Hypertherm Powermax 45 Miller Dynasty 280DXSmith O/A torchGenesis of a welding tableI have a nice American IMC Intercooled and aftercooled on a 175 gallon horizontal receiver, it's 30 CFM @ 175 psi. I'll sell it for 1000 bucks and load it on your truck or trailer.
Reply:Nice Choice, CEP. that machine is rated at just under 25 CFM @ 175, should do close to 27cfm at 90 or 100. Hope you have a sandblaster because it is made for it. Not sure but that may have the disc valves. Even reeds are good if you clean them once in a while. As far as the Eaton, I looked at those but I don't think there as american made as they lead to to believe."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251 Syncrowave 300 30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200 1 short hood SA250 SAM 400
Reply:CEP your pumps primary bore size is 4 5/8".....my Schulz primary bore size is 6 1/8" but wait , you have two primary 4 5/8" bores = 9 1/4 more moving parts for you though i thought around 500 pump rpms i was @27CFM but maybe not thermal arc 252i - millermatic 350P - miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs - Hypertherm 1250 G3
Reply:One thing to keep in mind on any compressor thats benchmarked at 175PSI and that is, turn it down to the maximum you really require. Air tools work as well at 150 PSI with the necessary CFM, or even 135 (where mine are set). It's the CFM that drives the vane motor in an air tool, not the pressure, so long as the pressure is adequate.Your produced CFM increases, there is less heat produced from comnpression, less entrained water vapor to get out and the compressor lasts longer because the valves don't carbon up as quick.My units never see 175.
Reply:running higher pressures than needed beats the sh;t out of the top of the cranks main bearing on the up stroke..........check it out that's where it rubs metal to metal.....you will hear a pinging once you reach these higher pressures on a worn compressor..and lowering the presure willl get rid of it for awhile until lower it som more....than it dies thermal arc 252i - millermatic 350P - miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs - Hypertherm 1250 G3
Reply:New compressor arrived today. Be a few days before I can get it hooked up, have a project for a friend I need to complete first. Attached ImagesDont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Awesome CEP!!! You'll never run out of air with that monster. Take pics after installation. Any reason you went with a short-wide tank? I would think a smaller foot print and utilizing more air space would be more beneficial."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by Stick-manAny reason you went with a short-wide tank? I would think a smaller foot print and utilizing more air space would be more beneficial.
Reply:Originally Posted by woi2ldrunning higher pressures than needed beats the sh;t out of the top of the cranks main bearing on the up stroke..........check it out that's where it rubs metal to metal.....you will hear a pinging once you reach these higher pressures on a worn compressor..and lowering the presure willl get rid of it for awhile until lower it som more....than it dies
Reply:I am curious, since you run a phase converter, why did you purchase a single phase motor?Powcon 200SMPowcon 300STVictor Journeyman O/A & CartApex Disc SanderCraftsman Belt/Disc Combo SanderWayne Air Compressor3 Craftsman Drill PressesEmerson Horizontal BandsawPorter-Cable Porta-Band7 Angle Grinders4 Bench Grinders
Reply:Originally Posted by FabtecI am curious, since you run a phase converter, why did you purchase a single phase motor?
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on't tie it to the floor. Just put it on machinery isolation feet/pads and call it good. None of my 3 are anchored... They don't move.You need an air hoist. I have an IR running on a trolley and bridge in the shop. Quiet as a mouse and very compressed air frugal.
Reply:Originally Posted by SidecarFlipDon't tie it to the floor. Just put it on machinery isolation feet/pads and call it good. None of my 3 are anchored... They don't move.
Reply:Mine was a special deal, so I didn't get paperwork. But the guy I bought it from gave his word and I did and still do trust him. That said, I didn't bolt mine down, but it's on a wood floor."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPAccording to the manual, that would void the warranty.
Reply:Good point on the piping. I used a1 1/2' piece of 1 1/2" or 2" jack hammer type hose between the tank and my shop piping. The braided was too expensive. I can snap a pic if needed, but I'm sure CEP knows exactly what I'm talking about."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:This compressor is really quiet! Even with the big door of the shop open, and the compressor room door open, I still have to turn the radio down to hear if the compressor is running, WOW!In the manual it says to conform to the tank warranty, the tank must be anchored down on rubber pads, but do not over tighten the anchor bolts, leave them some what loose.Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:I'm glad you're happy with it, seems like a really nice unit [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseI'm glad you're happy with it, seems like a really nice unit
Reply:Wide stance on the tank makes for a more stable platform. Standard 80 gal setup,would be pretty top heavy. I run isolation pads bought from the place you bought your compressor through, and never had any need to bolt it down. I rather not put the stress on the tank feet. Although sandwiched between Rubber,etc would be fine.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Nice bucket job CEP. Is that you or the customer? Nice shop too, is it yours? If you don't mind, show some pics of it. It looks like a pretty big shop."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Is a shop ever big enough? Some how mine got to small. Attached ImagesDont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Great looking compressor . I noticed that my old compressor takes for ever to build air pressure looked at data tag today and it was built in 1988. Hey I like the building too. richey
Reply:Richey....You have carboned up petal valves. Pull the head and clean the discs (brake cleaner or Gun Scrubber works fine). If it's not knocking, it will be like new again. The carbon keeps the petals (aka reed valves from sealing properly so it takes longer to build air. They all carbon up eventually. I tossed the pleated Solberg filter on mine and replaced it with a K&N but then I like K&N filters in as mich as I'm a distributor for K&N.......CEP...You are my age so your new compressor should be your last. My Quincy is my last......
Reply:SidecarFlip Thanks for the information on the petal valves. I will get some brake cleaner next time im in town and work on the heads. Folks I have really enjoyed seeing everyones shops when you guys desplay your projects and or equipment that you have. Richey
