I'm just getting started, and have been running 7018 and 6011 randomly. One thing I've discovered while trying different arc lengths, is that I can feel the rod rub against the metal almost, without it sticking to the metal. Is this preferable?
Reply:For 7018 that's ok. For 6011, not so much.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Originally Posted by bgilbI'm just getting started, and have been running 7018 and 6011 randomly. One thing I've discovered while trying different arc lengths, is that I can feel the rod rub against the metal almost, without it sticking to the metal. Is this preferable?
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Reply:Originally Posted by bgilbI'm just getting started, and have been running 7018 and 6011 randomly. One thing I've discovered while trying different arc lengths, is that I can feel the rod rub against the metal almost, without it sticking to the metal. Is this preferable?
Reply:That should be a welding bumper sticker
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961Welding: You're not doing it right if your rod doesn't rub.
Reply:The bigger the rod, the harder the rub!! jrw159 Attached Images
Reply:Originally Posted by jrw159The bigger the rod, the harder the rub!! jrw159
Reply:Originally Posted by tflWow! I have never seen a welding rod that big! What size is it and about how many amps does one need to run one that size?
Reply:As a new weldor, When running 7018, I have been told that when doing filltets on corner joints and similar it’s ideal to keep a nice tight arc length, and occasionally you might have the flux briefly touch the metal. Focus primarily on the effects of proper arc length, puddle control, and how they effect the finished weld.If the electrode should rub the workpiece it can be a side effect of making the weld properly, but not a technique, and you should not focus on having the electrode rub the workpiece as a condition of making a good weld. Perfect welds can be made with the flux of the electrode touching, and not touching the workpiece, it’s circumstantial and secondary to proper welding technique. In summary. rubbing of the electrode is not in itself indicitive of proper welding technique.To the above pictures: Wow, I can only imagine the heat and smoke thrown off by running that bad boy! What does that electrode weigh? What applications are they used for? I saw some other large stick electrodes in another thread, they were used in repairing foundry equipment, is this used for the same?Last edited by Mmock4; 08-15-2018 at 12:12 PM.-Mark SmithMiller Bobcat 250Vulcan ProTig200Vulcan MigMax215Everlast PowerArc 210STLHypertherm PowerMax45 Xp
Reply:Originally Posted by Mmock4As a new weldor, When running 7018, I have been told that when doing filltets on corner joints and similar its ideal to keep a nice tight arc length, and occasionally you might have the flux briefly touch the metal. Focus primarily on the effects of proper arc length, puddle control, and how they effect the finished weld.If the electrode should rub the workpiece it can be a side effect of making the weld properly, but not a technique, and you should not focus on having the electrode rub the workpiece as a condition of making a good weld. Perfect welds can be made with the flux of the electrode touching, and not touching the workpiece, its circumstantial and secondary to proper welding technique. In summary. rubbing of the electrode is not in itself indicitive of proper welding technique.To the above pictures: Wow, I can only imagine the heat and smoke thrown off by running that bad boy! What does that electrode weigh? What applications are they used for? I saw some other large stick electrodes in another thread, they were used in repairing foundry equipment, is this used for the same?
Reply:thicker flux coated rods can usually be dragged cause on rod angle lean it automatically establishes a short arc length cause flux coating is so thick.7024 has a thick coating usually drag rod.7014 and 7018 has a medium flux coating so drag and or short arc length.6013 and 6011 have a thin flux coating so in general you should hold a 1 rod dia arc length although most times it will work dragging rod too. if you drag rod you might have to increase amps to compensate.read welding rod manufacturers recommendations
Reply:Originally Posted by bgilbI'm just getting started, and have been running 7018 and 6011 randomly. One thing I've discovered while trying different arc lengths, is that I can feel the rod rub against the metal almost, without it sticking to the metal. Is this preferable?
Reply:Originally Posted by tflWow! I have never seen a welding rod that big! What size is it and about how many amps does one need to run one that size?
Reply:Originally Posted by E TIt all depends on the rod used. With 6012 or 6013 You don't want to rub it to avoid slag inclusion. With 7018 You have to keep a tight arc and rubbing the rod happens.Like Mmock4 says You have to learn to read the puddle and manipulate the rod as needed. On doing a open root varying the arc length a little bit can help You maintain a constant keyhole size.Eric
Reply:Originally Posted by pgkThat's what she said! LOL
Reply:Originally Posted by WNY_TomB.6013 need to use a big enough welding rod. 99.9999% of 6013 problems is somebody using too small a rod. .never had slag troubles when using 1/8 rod on 1/8 plate and at least 5/32 rod on anything over 3/16 plate.sure 6013 usually works better with a 1 rod dia arc length but if you got big enough rod at high amps you can easily just drag it. sometimes called high speed welding
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Reply:I remember reading somewhere , Someone advising , when welding thicker plate to do a backwards forwards motion and on the back stroke to push down into the plate for deeper penetration. Don't know if there is any merit to this theory
Reply:Originally Posted by Mmock4As a new weldor, When running 7018, I have been told that when doing filltets on corner joints and similar it’s ideal to keep a nice tight arc length, and occasionally you might have the flux briefly touch the metal. Focus primarily on the effects of proper arc length, puddle control, and how they effect the finished weld.If the electrode should rub the workpiece it can be a side effect of making the weld properly, but not a technique, and you should not focus on having the electrode rub the workpiece as a condition of making a good weld. Perfect welds can be made with the flux of the electrode touching, and not touching the workpiece, it’s circumstantial and secondary to proper welding technique. In summary. rubbing of the electrode is not in itself indicitive of proper welding technique.To the above pictures: Wow, I can only imagine the heat and smoke thrown off by running that bad boy! What does that electrode weigh? What applications are they used for? I try your luck with 888 casino here other large stick electrodes in another thread, they were used in repairing foundry equipment, is this used for the same?
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ragging a 6013 rod when you are still experimenting with travel speed, rod angle, amperage and trying to read the puddle will probably result in a bad weld. Reading the puddle with 6013 is a lot harder than with 7018 because of the violent swirling slag.
Reply:Originally Posted by jrw159The bigger the rod, the harder the rub!! jrw159
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961You must have different 6013 rods in the EU than we have available here. The 6013 rods I get work best as drag rods. Just be sure to run the heat high enough, and put a little extra rod angle on it to push the slag back.Originally Posted by BonzooWhere did you find that ? The toy chest at the end of CEPS bunk bed with the Matchbox racers and Lincoln logs ? Looks like a " hobby rod" to me ?
Reply:Schmidt. All these years I thought feeling the rod rub meant I had a hole in the bottom of my pocket and a rod was falling down my leg.
Reply:Originally Posted by WNY_TomB..most 6013 welding rod manufacturers recommend holding a 1 rod dia arc length with 6013. cause 6013 has a thinner flux coating........ 7014 and 7024 all rutile flux but with iron powder mixed in so flux coating is thicker when you drag on flux coating you are holding a arc length.i already said if amps higher and or use a big enough rod you can drag 6013 going fast. often called high speed welding..i am well aware of European 6013 that is really a mix of rutile and cellulose or rutile and lime so is really a mix of 6013 and 6011 or 6013 and 7018...... many rods from Europe are different than American rod
