Well... after much tinkering this afternoon... got the ol' Weldanpower 150 to start... Sanded the points, ran a little Marvel Mystery Oil through her... sprayed a little starting fluid and voila .. she runs! ... Changed out the fuel filter and cleaned out the gas tank... put on a new fuel filter... added fuel and now seems like the float is stuck open... no big deal.. picked up a new carb for $20... If I have time tomorrow I will put on new carb... run her and then test the welding side Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:It look it sittingCheck slip rings and brushesDave Originally Posted by kjemison1966Well... after much tinkering this afternoon... got the ol' Weldanpower 150 to start... Sanded the points, ran a little Marvel Mystery Oil through her... sprayed a little starting fluid and voila .. she runs! ... Changed out the fuel filter and cleaned out the gas tank... put on a new fuel filter... added fuel and now seems like the float is stuck open... no big deal.. picked up a new carb for $20... If I have time tomorrow I will put on new carb... run her and then test the welding side
Reply:The guy I bought it from said it has been sitting for about 5 years in his barn. He got it from a friend that owed him a couple hundred dollars.Any advice on checking the voltage? Or, just set the machine to 120 on the selector and test for matched output at the terminals with a multi meter.Have a great Sunday!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:As said check the brushes and slip rings first. The brushes to be sure they free to move in the retainers, the slip rings are free of corrosion. A voltmeter set to AC will tell you the OCV. If it's close to spec it will more than likely weld.MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Thanks Mike for the input. I will remove the cover and take a look in there. For anyone else looking for some good troubleshooting tips, I found this archived article / post with none other than the famous Duane! LINK: http://weldingweb.com/archive/index.php/t-418911.htmlKell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Originally Posted by kjemison1966Thanks Mike for the input. I will remove the cover and take a look in there.
Reply:Now that's funny! .. over 30! .. Yep, covers are coming off today ...I know what you mean about Mud Dobbers... I spent a lot of time in barns as a kid.. they were all over the place!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:So, after the honey do's... got a chance to play with my Weldanpower... put new carb on..few squirts of starter fluid and she come to life! Ran her for a good 10 minutes.. little rough at idle but runs good at full RPM. I have full power output at the 120 and 230V plugs. I also have voltage at the welding lugs. I do need to tinker with the governor a little and I see that there is some kind of "pull and lock into position" piece .. seems like you are supposed to manually pull it out to get max RPM?.. Still looking for a fuel tank (Kohler k241 10HP engine) .. Looks like an oval shape.Took off the cover to check out the generator side... not too bad... will clean her up a little in there. I cleaned up the contacts for the amperage selector and also the 2 circular rotating pieces where the contactors (brushes) touch. Few pictures:Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Sounds greatHave fun and save lotDave
Reply:Hi Smithdoor, It won't win any awards at the show palace but, I will do my best to straighten up the sheet metal, paint it back to red and call it a day. Still needs a little tune up etc.. Have a nice evening!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
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oes it run & weld good now?
Reply:You can literally take it down to the carwash or use your pressure washer on it. Spray it on anything you want as much as you want. Let it dry out good a day or two with a fan blowing on it and let it rip."You can't out puke a buzzard"
Reply:It seems to run very well... I need to work on the governor as I think it is running too many RPMs... ? Any ideas on how to measure the RPMs? .. Also, I have been cleaning all the rust out of the gas tank..Once re-assembled and the rain stops for a while, Iwill hook up some leads and give it a go with some 6011 Have a great night!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
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ick up one of these at Home Depot/Lowes/Harbor Freight/Amazon and set the RPM to yield 62-62.5Hz at no-load high idle (weld/power speed).The W&
150 is a 2-pole/3600rpm generator.RPM = (Hz x 120)/# of polesRPM = (60 x 120)/2RPM = 7200/2RPM = 3600For a 4-pole/1800rpm generator, replace the /2 with /4.Setting to 62-62.5Hz allows for 100-150rpm governor droop (not drop) under load to maintain acceptable generator output frequency of 58-63Hz.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Ooooh duane, what a great tool! Didn't know. Thanks.
Reply:And the former Missouri license plate makes a great air baffle!!My uncle has one of those in his barn that's been setting in the same spot for about 20 years or so. Said it used to run but he had cataract surgery and is afraid of burning his eyes so no longer welds. Don't know why he keeps the welder.Last edited by Slob; 08-30-2018 at 12:48 AM.SlobPurveyor of intimate unparalleled knowledge of nothing about everything.Oh yeah, also an unabashed internet "Troll" too.....
Reply:Thank you Duane! .. I will get a Kill A Watt today in my travels.. Would like understand the governor operation a little better... I see where it attaches to the carb. and the spring etc... So, what is the best way to test this? Also, if this is to "govern" the idle, then why have a locking throttle linkage device on the system? I watched a person on Youtube with a W&
150 start it up, idles for a minute, then he pulls on the manual throttle linkage and locks it in full throttle mode...Does the Governor sense a electrical load on the system and then automatically adjust the throttle?Thank you for your insights.. appreciated very much!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:This Youtube video?The B&S throttle setup on that one is a little different than that of the Kohler.On the Briggs in the above video, the throttle is pulled out and locked to bring the unit to low idle overriding the governor. On the Kohler, the throttle is pulled out and locked in place to apply spring tension to the governor lever resulting in the engine speed increasing to weld/power speed.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Here's a pretty clear view of how the Kohler functions at about 0:19:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTe-ULwGXdQMM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:So,.... If I have the Kill A Watt device plugged into the 120V receptacle.. I should increase or decease the engine RPMs until it reads 120V ? ... Then I know that is the correct RPM? I don't want to run the engine over the max rated RPM.Thank you for the help!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Ok... I think I have answered some of my questions... Found this on the Youtube which explains how to use a Kill A Watt device to adjust engine RPM. I am to under stand that 3600 RPM is what we are looking for. Please see the video for a better explanation.Have a great evening!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:To be sure, frequency is what you're setting to. See the equation above in post #14 to determine RPM based on the output frequency.The W&
150 doesn't have a voltage regulator but as many generators do and can compensate for low/high RPM to result in proper output voltage, frequency can still be outside acceptable 58-63Hz range so always set to frequency.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Hi Duane .. I went ahead tonight and sprayed her down with some de-greaser .... and carefully pressure washed the entire inside of the machine. Spent about 20 minutes with compressed air blowing it out. Now, it is sitting in front of my shop fan for the night. Tomorrow I will build a better gas tank bracket and hopefully get it running. Then I can check the frequency as you suggested.Thanks again for the help / info!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Continued to work on the governor today,.. finally got that fixed... Still fighting the dirty gas tank.. sediment is still clogging the line after running for a few minutes... so, now flushing the tank again. Will see if I can get better results tomorrow with that. Also, working on the high speed issue... Motor is running up to about 4000 RPM... free up the rusted nut on the adjustment tomorrow and get her back down to the 3600 RPM mark.Have a great night!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:If the governor is working/adjusted correctly, the unit wouldn't be running at 4000rpm. I'm a little confused.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!Hi Duane,On the video at post #19 it shows the welder pulling out a throttle adjustment. Mine has a adjustment type nut that is on a threaded rod. I guess I assumed wrong that this was what adjusted the throttle (RPM) based on where the adjustment nut was placed. I will have to look into the governor a little closer to understand how it actually works... I know when I pull and lock the throttle open using the threaded rod, the frequency on the 120 output receptacle is way higher than 60 Hz. My thought was that the 60 Hz is directly tied to the engine RPM.? Thank you for your help as always!KellKell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:A previous owner obviously had to replace the original "J" throttle control with the threaded rod. The original control would have had a notch in it that dropped into a keyhole slot in the bracket. This keyhole was enlarged to accommodate the stop nut on the threaded rod. With the original throttle control that locked into a set position, high speed is adjusted by shortening/lengthening the linkage at the threaded coupler in the second photo. With the modified control with threaded rod "J", speed can actually be adjusted by moving the stop nut position OR lock it in place and use the linkage coupler as originally designed.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Also, the original missing throttle control had a maximum travel stop that prevented pulling the throttle out past the high idle "lock-in" position thus preventing over revving the engine.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Ok.. finally learned more about this governor thing .. Got it pretty much as good as I can at the moment. Kill A Watt meter shows 55.5 Hz at the outlet (120)... Temporarily hooked up some leads and she welds very well? Ran a couple of 3/32 6013 on it. Very happy at this point! Still looking for a replacement fuel tank... Have a great day!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Thanks Duane! ... I will tinker with the adjustments on the threaded rod... I think a few hundred more RPMs will get me where I need to be at 3600 and 60 Hz.As always, I really appreciate all your help! Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:At 55.5Hz you're 270rpm shy of 3600 (see equation in post #14). Your no-load high idle target is 3750rpm or 62.5Hz.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:While you're messin with the fuel system SCRAP the factory Kohler pump and replace it with a vacuum operated fuel pump. Those old Kohler pumps perforate the diaphrams and blow up Kohler engines.
Reply:Virgil5, Good afternoon. Does the vacuum fuel pump mount where the old Kohler pump is now? Thank you! Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Kell, if you take the old fuel pump off carefully remove the gasket off it and use it for a template to mark the outside and bolt holes on a piece of 10 ga or 3/16" for a cover plate. When you get the pulse fuel pump and find what size vacuum hose you need for the pulse fitting on the pump. Then buy a hose barb that size and it will probably have 1/8" male pipe thread on the other end. Drill and tap a hole in the cover plate to screw the hose barb in. The fuel pump works off the crankcase pulsations to move a diaphragm in the pump to pump gas to the carb. Hope this is plain enough.MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:This is how you properly adjust the Kohler K series governor;http://cubfaq.com/govadjust.htmlOnly after you have adjusted the governor correctly should you adjust the engine rpm. Which, according to the Lincoln Electric specification sheet, should be set at 3700 rpm. This is done by adjusting the length of the notched pull ring. Then, follow Duanes advice and use your Kill a Watt meter to to fine tune your rpm's to get the proper Hz output.Keep the Kohler fuel pump, replace with aftermarket if leaking fuel into the crankcase, check the oil level before start up and you won't blow it up.This is how I cleaned up my fuel tank;https://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.ph...13#post8620713Good luck!
Reply:Oh yeah, save that old carb you took off and rebuild it like this;http://www.mgonitzke.net/cubcadet/to...rb_rebuild.pdf
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusKell, if you take the old fuel pump off carefully remove the gasket off it and use it for a template to mark the outside and bolt holes on a piece of 10 ga or 3/16" for a cover plate. When you get the pulse fuel pump and find what size vacuum hose you need for the pulse fitting on the pump. Then buy a hose barb that size and it will probably have 1/8" male pipe thread on the other end. Drill and tap a hole in the cover plate to screw the hose barb in. The fuel pump works off the crankcase pulsations to move a diaphragm in the pump to pump gas to the carb. Hope this is plain enough.Mike
Reply:My boy Taryl;
Reply:I read someplace Taryl was class Valedictorian in Kohler Teknissun Skewel.
Reply:You talkin' smack 'bout my boy! Taryl aint no valadick,.. whateva you said!
Reply:Thank you everyone for the advice / help! .. I did follow "Taryl" video on adjusting the governor. Initially, the governor was not even tight. Once I followed the advice on the video, the welder ran much better! (go figure)... I should have some time in the morning to continue working on it.Have a great evening!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Originally Posted by el perroYou talkin' smack 'bout my boy! Taryl aint no valadick,.. whateva you said!
Reply:Well tinkered with the machine today before we had to leave for a family function. Got the Hz measurement to 62.2 - 62.5. I think we are good to go on that issue. I still have some general maintenance to do (replace points and condenser etc..) .. I think I will go ahead and replace the fuel pump as they are only about $18.00.Hopefully do a little sanding, dent removal and painting this week as well.Have a great evening!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:So, not a complete ground up restoration with all new parts but, I think it looks a lot better than when I got it! ... There are some details i will work on... new fuel pump and factory air cleaner assembly should be here on Tuesday. .. All in all, I think she looks pretty good ... I have decided to build a carriage and frame structure around the unit... I am also going to purchase a small 2.5 gallon aluminum fuel cell as trying to locate an original fuel tank is nearly impossible!Have a great night!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
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Reply:If you're looking for some running gear ideas, check out the end of this thread . . .https://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.ph...hlight=Lincoln. . . and this one . . .https://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.ph...ht=weldanpowerMM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by kjemison1966So, not a complete ground up restoration with all new parts but, I think it looks a lot better than when I got it! ...!
Reply:Bistineau,New paint does wonders for an old machine!...Hopefully will get time this weekend to assemble a new cart.Have a great night!Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
Reply:Originally Posted by kjemison1966Bistineau,New paint does wonders for an old machine!...Hopefully will get time this weekend to assemble a new cart.Have a great night!
Reply:Bistineau,I have thought of that as well... bigger tires so I can get across terrain if need be... Would love to see what you came up with!Air cleaner arrived yesterday... sanded down, painted and installed! (don't mind the cart... it was a leftover that my 1968 Idealarc came with.. getting ideas for the new cart!)Kell in FloridaEverlast Powertig 200Everlast Supercut 51P PlasmaSeveral vintage Idealarc 250 Round TopsMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DC - circa 1976"I dont care that they stole my idea
I care that they dont have any of their own."
