Here is a few deals. No hype they just cut as nice as anything on the planet, with great consumable life too. PT-37/38-39 torches are some of the best air Plasma torches ever made..Up to this point anyway.(IMO) You have to know a bit more about what is available as to setup, but if you do then really nice stuff. Lots of options in consumable styles.. Italian made machines on these sizes, and Polish on the larger units. http://www.weldfabulous.com/p-101509...-39-torch.aspxhttp://www.weldfabulous.com/p-101323...-39-torch.aspxGoing to be interesting to compare how this smaller one works against all the other 120/240 units out. Looks like it cuts at the same speed as the very newest machines just out, but $400.00 cheaper... One thing about Esab, the arc is always really powerful for the amps..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Wow, that's what everyone need a polish plasma cutter talk about reverse engineeringLast edited by mechanic416; 03-10-2014 at 07:54 AM.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:ESAB has been around a helluva lot longer than most merican firms. They do not have to reverse engineer anything, and my next plasma will be an ESAB, it won't be another Hypertherm.http://www.esabna.com/us/en/about/history.cfm Originally Posted by mechanic416Wow, that's what everyone need a polish plasma cutter talk about reverse engineering
Reply:Esab plasma's have always been among the top performing plasma cutters. There torch technology is a bit old (non shielded, essentially the same torch used for the last 30 years), but they have a pretty good reliability reputation with their older units built in S. Carolina. Time will tell us how well their import units will hold up.Dellwas.....I thought you liked your Hypertherm?Jim Colt Originally Posted by dellwasESAB has been around a helluva lot longer than most merican firms. They do not have to reverse engineer anything, and my next plasma will be an ESAB, it won't be another Hypertherm.http://www.esabna.com/us/en/about/history.cfm
Reply:Not even close a 30 year old design. Facts are wrong on that. As modern as any hypertherm air torch. The PT-37-38-39 is nothing like the older torches. You can run shielded or unshielded on the 30 amp setup. You can also use the 0558010571 shield/etc..Also has a 90/100 drag shield 0558006613. can use all the 30-40/50-70/90-100 amp machine shielded front ends on all the torches. Works well also for drag cutting if you like..Here is a break down and you will see it cuts as fast or faster then the similar late model Hypertherm torch..Book speeds is right on, just like the Hypertherm book # Tons more consumable styles available, and that is why I said you need to do your home work. Much more options then Hypertherm in consumable styles, and types. Very modern, and up to date. of course there are special drag, and gouging tips available for all the torches too. Really versatile setup. http://www.esabna.com/esab/dbReplace...ed%20Torch.pdfI ordered the 400, so we will see just how they stack up with other 120/240 volt units.. I do agree with it will be a wait and see on reliability, so the cheap option of extended 5 year warranty, might be a good call. Since it's $400 plus dollars cheaper then other machines. The $100.00 + option is doable.. After 5 years, it should of paid for itself anyway. Sell it in 4 years 11 months , and get almost all your money back too. Esab is great with support on those things.Last edited by Brand X; 03-10-2014 at 12:20 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:You are correct, it is newer technology than 30 years.....it is a blowback shielded design, both were patented by Hypertherm in the mid 1980's. ('84 for the shield technology, '85 for the blowback start)........so it is 30 years for the shield and only 29 for the blowback. They (Esab and others) just had to wait for the patents to expire! The current patents for the spring electrode and the conical flow that add reliability and energy density and improved nozzle bore cooling still have a few more before they expire....The shield technology was first used on the Hypertherm Max100 in '85 or '86, the blowback technology was first used on the Max40CS (contact start) around the same time.Still, that is far ahead of many torch producers in the plasma business. Regardless, I still rank the Esab systems near the top of technology , performance and reliability....at least the systems that have been around for a few years and built in Florence. They are wise to follow Hypertherm's torch technology.Jim Colt Originally Posted by Brand XNot even close a 30 year old design. Facts are wrong on that. As modern as any hypertherm air torch. The PT-37-38-39 is nothing like the older torches. You can run shielded or unshielded on the 30 amp setup. You can also use the 0558010571 shield/etc..Also has a 90/100 drag shield 0558006613. can use all the 30-40/50-70/90-100 amp machine shielded front ends on all the torches. Works well also for drag cutting if you like..Here is a break down and you will see it cuts as fast or faster then the similar late model Hypertherm torch..Book speeds is right on, just like the Hypertherm book # Tons more consumable styles available, and that is why I said you need to do your home work. Much more options then Hypertherm in consumable styles, and types. Very modern, and up to date. of course there are special drag, and gouging tips available for all the torches too. Really versatile setup. http://www.esabna.com/esab/dbReplace...ed%20Torch.pdfI ordered the 400, so we will see just how they stack up with other 120/240 volt units.. I do agree with it will be a wait and see on reliability, so the cheap option of extended 5 year warranty, might be a good call. Since it's $400 plus dollars cheaper then other machines. The $100.00 + option is doable.. After 5 years, it should of paid for itself anyway. Sell it in 4 years 11 months , and get almost all your money back too. Esab is great with support on those things.
Reply:They also hold a few patents of their own on this torch. Seem to have excellent cut speed,cut quality, and consumable life. Giving it excellent arc density. Not in a lab, but comparing it to my friends Hypertherm 85 on his table.. Both are excellent..and I would buy mine again today, just like my friend would stick with his. Since I had the older Esab's made in SC I can compare those to. The new ones blows them them away in the air cooled class. 1125 and a1500 model model anyway. I have some pictures of 12 ga /.250/6.25 MS steel cut with my PT-31 XL torch. (esab 30 amp Handy-plas) Cut speed sever was a bit under 5 IPM for a less beveled edge. That is way old tech, and you might be surprised that it more then matches the cut quality you posted from your latest Powermax 30 XP. Just can't figure out why that is so? My camera is heading home now, and I will post up the comparison pictures soon. This is why I take a lot of things said with a gain of salt, and find out on my own. I recommend using machines side by side,just to get the feel for what you need. Same way with welding machines. Did that with the Cutmaster 42, and Powermax 30 the last time I was looking at machines. Ended up with the Esab 30 for $300.00 less then the Cutmaster. Consumable life is better then the cutmaster 42, and less then the hypertherm. Still cheap consumables that cut nice was a better option, and just a smaller torch/25 ft whip. All more important to me.. Ended up really liking what Esab brought to the table over time. Powerful arc is one thing. old torch or not.. cuts with less bevel on 5/8 then the older Hypertherm 30. Cutmaster would do better then both machines in bevel and clean cutting on thicker stock. I am sure the new model Hypertherm will make up the difference now, but did not see it before. Just using them, and not in a lab...Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Yes, everyone has the triggers that make them buy one product over another, no doubt. The small Esabs used to be preferred by the artistic types that buy entry level cnc machines for artistic things...primarily due to the narrow kerf. The new Powermax30XP now has a FineCut nozzle with the thinnest kerf I have seen on any plasma......I was cutting with it last week at the Conexpo show in Vegas. Soon I will have a CM42, I plan on mounting it on my cnc machine and run it through its paces, then do the same with the new 30XP. I'll benchamarke best speed and best cut. I will monitor arc voltage and amperage on different materials. I will run them each to duty cycle......will be fun!The interesting thing is the 40 amp CM42 on paper has more power (40 amps @ 96 load volts = 3,840 watts) vs Powermax30XP (30 amps @ 125 load volts = 3750 watts) (well...only 90 watts difference)...yet the published cut speed on 10 gauge are 105 ipm for the CM42, 110 ipm for the 30xp, and on 1/4" are 40 ipm for both. On 1/2" the 42 shows 11 ipm and the 30XP 10 ipm. They are really close.......just goes to prove that a power supply with a high load voltage capability is more important than amperage.The other thing....it takes 125 load volts to cut 3/8" steel with the 30XP, and Hypertherm puts its "production rating" at its rated load voltage (duty cycle and ambient temp are at this rating) while the cutmaster claims 3/8" for production, yet the load voltage at its duty cycle rating is only 96 volts. Tells me that they will have extremely short duty cycle when cutting the claimed production thickness, as you cannot cut 3/8" at 96 arc volts, trust me. It is less costly to build a power supply with lower output...and fudge the numbers on duty cycle to get a few more orders. My side by side test will tell the story.Jim Originally Posted by Brand XThey also hold a few patents of their own on this torch. Seem to have excellent cut speed,cut quality, and consumable life. Giving it excellent arc density. Not in a lab, but comparing it to my friends Hypertherm 85 on his table.. Both are excellent..and I would buy mine again today, just like my friend would stick with his. Since I had the older Esab's made in SC I can compare those to. The new ones blows them them away in the air cooled class. 1125 and a1500 model model anyway. I have some pictures of 12 ga /.250/6.25 MS steel cut with my PT-31 XL torch. (esab 30 amp Handy-plas) Cut speed sever was a bit under 5 IPM for a less beveled edge. That is way old tech, and you might be surprised that it more then matches the cut quality you posted from your latest Powermax 30 XP. Just can't figure out why that is so? My camera is heading home now, and I will post up the comparison pictures soon. This is why I take a lot of things said with a gain of salt, and find out on my own. I recommend using machines side by side,just to get the feel for what you need. Same way with welding machines. Did that with the Cutmaster 42, and Powermax 30 the last time I was looking at machines. Ended up with the Esab 30 for $300.00 less then the Cutmaster. Consumable life is better then the cutmaster 42, and less then the hypertherm. Still cheap consumables that cut nice was a better option, and just a smaller torch/25 ft whip. All more important to me.. Ended up really liking what Esab brought to the table over time. Powerful arc is one thing. old torch or not.. cuts with less bevel on 5/8 then the older Hypertherm 30. Cutmaster would do better then both machines in bevel and clean cutting on thicker stock. I am sure the new model Hypertherm will make up the difference now, but did not see it before. Just using them, and not in a lab...
Reply:I do, but think I'll like the ESAB better, Next one will not be an HT. Thought I made that clear a month or so back... Originally Posted by jimcoltEsab plasma's have always been among the top performing plasma cutters. There torch technology is a bit old (non shielded, essentially the same torch used for the last 30 years), but they have a pretty good reliability reputation with their older units built in S. Carolina. Time will tell us how well their import units will hold up.Dellwas.....I thought you liked your Hypertherm?Jim Colt
Reply:Sounds good, please keep us informed. I was looking at some ESAB units at Praxair the other day, wished I had of held off on buying the HT PM30 after looking more closely at the ESABs. I'm particularily interested in the variety of consumables you say are available, and the warranty sure sounds good. May have to ditch the HT and get an ESAB... Originally Posted by Brand XNot even close a 30 year old design. Facts are wrong on that. As modern as any hypertherm air torch. The PT-37-38-39 is nothing like the older torches. You can run shielded or unshielded on the 30 amp setup. You can also use the 0558010571 shield/etc..Also has a 90/100 drag shield 0558006613. can use all the 30-40/50-70/90-100 amp machine shielded front ends on all the torches. Works well also for drag cutting if you like..Here is a break down and you will see it cuts as fast or faster then the similar late model Hypertherm torch..Book speeds is right on, just like the Hypertherm book # Tons more consumable styles available, and that is why I said you need to do your home work. Much more options then Hypertherm in consumable styles, and types. Very modern, and up to date. of course there are special drag, and gouging tips available for all the torches too. Really versatile setup. http://www.esabna.com/esab/dbReplace...ed%20Torch.pdfI ordered the 400, so we will see just how they stack up with other 120/240 volt units.. I do agree with it will be a wait and see on reliability, so the cheap option of extended 5 year warranty, might be a good call. Since it's $400 plus dollars cheaper then other machines. The $100.00 + option is doable.. After 5 years, it should of paid for itself anyway. Sell it in 4 years 11 months , and get almost all your money back too. Esab is great with support on those things.
Reply:The smallest kerf has been my Aircut 15c cutting on 3/16 MS Varies between 8 to 10 thou.. So if you could compare it on 3/16 it would give a fair comparison. The handy plasma 125 Built in air model on cutting at 11 amps SS or aluminum (16 ga) was even a smaller kerf. Laser like.. Not really tested the Aircut on that yet. I will say the 15 amp consumables will fit in the Older PT torch, and that can get pretty dang small too. The Hobart 250i built -in air model would not really match the other two machine in small kerf size. (Hypertherm torch unit) The real problem with the new Esab torch is the size of the cutting head, just not tiny like some others. You do give something up with Esab torch.. Size...Here is a picture of the older 30 amp Esab handy plas results from last week 12 ga to 5/8 Cut surprisingly fast on 5/8 Not a bad old style unit with good power. Nice to use a machine to compare other to. Just the best way to weed through what works for you.. I like the Hypertherm 30 well, and think the new one is going to be the one to get for most people.. I also think the price on that 50 amp Esab machine is really good, and would be a fine unit for most people.. you could use 20-30/30-40-and 50 amp consumables in that unit. 20-30 have a tiny orifice for really fine cutting. about as small as the Aircut 15c ones Probably the same as the Cutmaster 42- 20 amp Nozzles. Found a pic of some thicker stock I cut/severed at 30 amps Seems like .800 or so. Thicker then .750 if I remember right? been a while on that one.Still like it for .250 about the best. Attached ImagesEsab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Can't make the 100% happy! Nothing wrong with the Esab systems....and someone would be more than happy to get your Powermax30.Jim Originally Posted by dellwasI do, but think I'll like the ESAB better, Next one will not be an HT. Thought I made that clear a month or so back...
Reply:I love my ESAB plasma, it's made in USA too. But I bought it used for a great deal. I'd certainly try a HT for a plasma if buying new. Seems like a lot of machine for the money and Jim's knowledge and objective info on all brands of plasma has made a strong impression with me. My ESAB consumables don't last very long but I by them by the dozen from China for what I can buy one official HT or 5 pack ESAB consumable for. Sent from my SCH-I545 using TapatalkTiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Jim is far from objective, every retort he makes indicates the HTs are better in some way or another. To be expected, after all he is a company man. Maybe that's where the "Hype" in Hypertherm came from! (JK)Had any issues with the chinese consumables? I've been told I'd be doomed if I dare use them in my HT. Originally Posted by soutthpawI love my ESAB plasma, it's made in USA too. But I bought it used for a great deal. I'd certainly try a HT for a plasma if buying new. Seems like a lot of machine for the money and Jim's knowledge and objective info on all brands of plasma has made a strong impression with me. My ESAB consumables don't last very long but I by them by the dozen from China for what I can buy one official HT or 5 pack ESAB consumable for. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Reply:Jim is pretty straight forward on his post and works for HTSure seems unusual how hard someone else is pushing Esab products not to be getting paid by them
Reply:Jim is pretty straight forward on his post and works for HTSure seems unusual how hard someone else is pushing Esab products not to be getting paid by them Seems like you are showing some bias right there. One is straight forward, and the other giving a counter argument to things I have seen with my Easb ,and Thermal dynamics machines. I have owned and used many over the years, I tend to back up what I say on any brand, and not got paid for any of it. (Except the Hobart 210 machine I tested.. : Those are awesome too, and Jim would agree too.The PT-27 torch (Here I go with Esab again, since I owned that torch) was never good on consumable life, the the 70 amp 1125 was the worse of about all machines I have used. The 875 was a bit better because of lower output.. Turn the 1125 up full, and it was something to watch it burn though electrodes. Now the reason the China stuff works ok is the torch is a different, and of a simpler design then the newer types. New machines like the computer controlled Esab, and Hypertherm will most times sense there is a issue with consumables and not even boot up. I would never use them in a late model machine. Even the Thermal dynamics one torch China made consumables burn up really fast in it's design. Very best thing you can do to the 875/1125 machines is put a Thermal one torch on it, and ditch the factory Esab. My friend did that to his 1125 over ten years ago, and is happy to this day. He has my Thermal-dynamics 151 (hand /machine torch), Esab 1125, and a Hypertherm 85 Hand/machine torch at his shop. I have the Esab 1600 with hand/machine torch at my shop at home. Same basic table as far a THC, and stepper motors/etc.. So all my bias is from seeing those brands in a real worlds environment. So that is where I stand, and I could care less what you think about things. Nice to not have to be PC to any person here ever..So piss off and don't buy a Esab! How is that, and do you think that will sell many machines?PS- The Esab 1500 Powercut with it's PT-32 torch design (Right after the 1125 /PT-27) was really a great improvement in consumable life. (more bias) Since I owned that machine too, and have direct knowledge of how it worked too. Will not retro to the older machines so never a option for the earlier designs..Esab has been plugging away for a long time to get good consumable life, and now has a excellent design with the PT-37-38-39 torch. Which I now own all three. Again one more time. piss off again..Last edited by Brand X; 03-11-2014 at 10:24 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Never once told anyone they would be doomed to use aftermarket consumables. Please stick to facts when quoting someone. Feel free to use them if you would like....they have different dimensions, tolerances and manufacturing techniques.....and when operating at the voltage and current levels at temperatures (internal) above 3000 F....you are genuinely playing a game of Russian roulette by putting poorly manufactured parts in any plasma torch...not just hypertherm. You would not be doomed....but your torch could be!Further....anything I say I will back up with technical fact when it comes to comparing plasma torches or plasma systems in general. Join my webinar today at 2 PM Eastern time.....I am comparing Amperage, Load Voltage, Wattage and duty cycle and describing in detail how understanding these technical facts can help you purchase a plasma that will best suit your cutting needs. This will help with any brand.Jim Colt Hypertherm Originally Posted by dellwasJim is far from objective, every retort he makes indicates the HTs are better in some way or another. To be expected, after all he is a company man. Maybe that's where the "Hype" in Hypertherm came from! (JK)Had any issues with the chinese consumables? I've been told I'd be doomed if I dare use them in my HT.
Reply:Stick to facts yourself. I didn't name you, and in fact I received an email stating that-and it didn't come from you... Originally Posted by jimcoltNever once told anyone they would be doomed to use aftermarket consumables. Please stick to facts when quoting someone. Feel free to use them if you would like....they have different dimensions, tolerances and manufacturing techniques.....and when operating at the voltage and current levels at temperatures (internal) above 3000 F....you are genuinely playing a game of Russian roulette by putting poorly manufactured parts in any plasma torch...not just hypertherm. You would not be doomed....but your torch could be!Further....anything I say I will back up with technical fact when it comes to comparing plasma torches or plasma systems in general. Join my webinar today at 2 PM Eastern time.....I am comparing Amperage, Load Voltage, Wattage and duty cycle and describing in detail how understanding these technical facts can help you purchase a plasma that will best suit your cutting needs. This will help with any brand.Jim Colt Hypertherm
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XHere is a few deals. No hype they just cut as nice as anything on the planet, with great consumable life too. PT-37/38-39 torches are some of the best air Plasma torches ever made..Up to this point anyway.(IMO) You have to know a bit more about what is available as to setup, but if you do then really nice stuff. Lots of options in consumable styles.. Italian made machines on these sizes, and Polish on the larger units. http://www.weldfabulous.com/p-101509...-39-torch.aspxhttp://www.weldfabulous.com/p-101323...-39-torch.aspxGoing to be interesting to compare how this smaller one works against all the other 120/240 units out. Looks like it cuts at the same speed as the very newest machines just out, but $400.00 cheaper... One thing about Esab, the arc is always really powerful for the amps..
Reply:Originally Posted by OldSkullHere we go again! You Evil! I can sell my ESAB Handy Plasma 380 for more money then I pay for but the crappy Can/US money exchange rate make me backup this deal offer! A Esab 700 (220V) for $1299 OR the new Hypertherm XP30 (110/220V) for $1312 ? PS: The cut you done with the 380 are amazing, I just wonder what kind of evil plan you will came with for the 400
Reply:Bet you can't guess which plasma cutter I would use....Oh crap....they probably saw the logo on my gloves and shirt.Jim Last edited by jimcolt; 03-11-2014 at 10:28 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by jimcoltBet you can't guess which plasma cutter I would use....Oh crap....they probably saw the logo on my gloves and shirt.Jim
Reply:Heh, Steve, I ducked out of this one too. But Jim said what I implied. His info is backed by facts and data. And he has lots of experience in the field. I have repeatedly seen him say good things about other plasma brands. He is also proud of the company he works for and feels they have the best machines in the class. I have been impressed with all the ESAB products I own and would not hesitate to buy another. I know if I ever buy a HT I will be getting a quality product with a knowledgeable staff to support it. If you like ESAB better than HT, great for you. If my torch ever fails, the mentioned upgrades to a newer style torch seem like a great idea. . Sent from my SCH-I545 using TapatalkLast edited by soutthpaw; 03-11-2014 at 11:05 PM.Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Nothing wrong with that, and I admire Jim for his commitement. However, I stand by what I said, he is far from being unbiased. He may say a competitor is good, but he then goes on to elaborate why HT is so much better, and it does get old after a while. He would make a great car salesman Originally Posted by soutthpawHeh, Steve, I ducked out of this one too. But Jim said what I implied. His info is backed by facts and data. And he has lots of experience in the field. I have repeatedly seen him say good things about other plasma brands. He is also proud of the company he works for and feels they have the best machines in the class. I have been impressed with all the ESAB products I own and would not hesitate to buy another. I know if I ever buy a HT I will be getting a quality product with a knowledgeable staff to support it. If you like ESAB better than HT, great for you. If my torch ever fails, the mentioned upgrades to a newer style torch seem like a great idea. . Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
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ellwas, not sure about the car salesman comment. Why would anyone not think I was biased? I have worked for a great company for 36 years, they treat me well, and the best part is....the products will do 100% of what we say they will. That allows this "car salesman" to sleep at night.By the way, I do not work in sales. My background is electrical engineering. I have a home shop full of metal fabricating tools (and I use them) that I have collected for over 35 years. I do not like car salesman!Jim Originally Posted by dellwasNothing wrong with that, and I admire Jim for his commitement. However, I stand by what I said, he is far from being unbiased. He may say a competitor is good, but he then goes on to elaborate why HT is so much better, and it does get old after a while. He would make a great car salesmanOkay, how about car manufacturer executive? I see you edited while I was replying. I hear ya on the car salesman... I let my wife deal with them most of the time... Originally Posted by jimcoltDellwas, not sure about the car salesman comment. Why would anyone not think I was biased? I have worked for a great company for 36 years, they treat me well, and the best part is....the products will do 100% of what we say they will. That allows this "car salesman" to sleep at night.By the way, I do not work in sales. My background is electrical engineering. I have a home shop full of metal fabricating tools that I have collected for over 25 years. I do not like car salesman!Jim
Reply:Thats funny.....we just had to buy a new truck 3 weeks ago (Ram 2500, Cummins Deisel).....I got so pissed at the salesman that I was ready to grab him by the neck......my wife took over, raked him over the coals....and we ended up with a far better transaction through the dealership owner. Jim Originally Posted by dellwasOkay, how about car manufacturer executive? I see you edited while I was replying. I hear ya on the car salesman... I let my wife deal with them most of the time...
Reply:Steve you are right. but a better return then a bank..Get a better interest rate.. Plus you can use the machines in the mean time.. I've always upgraded, and pretty much keep in a warranty. Never been bitten by owning a Inverter. Not everyone can say that.. It will happen at some point, but just not to me by shuffling the deck once,and a while.. You also get to learn what is fact or fiction in the area of machines.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:There you go, you did what I did, let my wife handle it. Less stress, and you came out ahead. Originally Posted by jimcoltThats funny.....we just had to buy a new truck 3 weeks ago (Ram 2500, Cummins Deisel).....I got so pissed at the salesman that I was ready to grab him by the neck......my wife took over, raked him over the coals....and we ended up with a far better transaction through the dealership owner. Jim
Reply:Very good points, guys... Originally Posted by 7A749Yeah, threads like this give me a headache They're both good machines. Ppl buy different brands for different reasons. I am and have always been an across the board kinda guy. I don't get too hung up on petty details when either machine in the running performs well & has a good service network behind it. When the quality, performance and service is all there, my deciding choice will ALWAYS be the machine with the BEST resale value on the general market. I consider a machine tool as an investment, and being such want to get the best possible return on it if directions change, and the need to liquidate or buy something different arises.Almost ALL the money I used to purchase my Dynasty 350 came from machinery I either bought for business use or specifically for resale. I made a profit on almost all of it, some of the machinery I had owned after buying used seven years ago too. I had very little actual out of pocket expense on it at the end of the day. It's really nice when you're machinery can work for you not only in the shop, but also as a sort of bank account with a good return. But, like I said, ppl buy different brands for different reasons.Well, off to the farm!
Reply:Back to $800. $840 shipped for me.http://www.weldfabulous.com/p-140437...-39-torch.aspx*mike
Reply:Originally Posted by jimcoltDellwas, not sure about the car salesman comment. Why would anyone not think I was biased? I have worked for a great company for 36 years, they treat me well, and the best part is....the products will do 100% of what we say they will. That allows this "car salesman" to sleep at night.By the way, I do not work in sales. My background is electrical engineering. I have a home shop full of metal fabricating tools (and I use them) that I have collected for over 35 years. I do not like car salesman!Jim
Reply:I really have no idea what you are alluding to with this....can you clarify it for me? I'll be happy to help you with plasma cutting related questions....but the "groups of people" question I don't understand....Jim Colt Originally Posted by JackLeggI have owned ESAB 650, Miller 625, Thermal CM 52 and a Hypertherm 600. Happy with all of them pretty much. I sold all of them at one time or another. So seeing that I am looking for a plasma at the moment let me ask you something Mr. Colt, what other groups of people do you not like because of their line of work. You go first---Ken
Reply:Originally Posted by legodudeBack to $800. $840 shipped for me.http://www.weldfabulous.com/p-140437...-39-torch.aspx*mike
Reply:Hay Jim,You going to start selling cars nowHe was referring to the line ( I do not like car salesman )www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Ha ha......I guess I should have said I don't like having to buy cars from car salesman.....I actually have a few close friends that are employed as car salesmen (and women). Originally Posted by mechanic416Hay Jim,You going to start selling cars nowHe was referring to the line ( I do not like car salesman )
